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Old 04-06-2015, 01:26 PM   #1081
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:31 PM   #1082
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I was thinking the same thing. With a rigid pole why also use straps.



What kind of floor flanges are those and how do you attach them to the poles? Hard to see in the photos.



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The simple answer is that the straps are what holds your awning down. The straps are what you need to to keep your awning from flying up. The poles act as a support to counter the downward force of the straps. Without the poles the straps would just pull the awning all the way down.

It's a symbiotic relationship. You need both for either to be effective.




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Old 04-06-2015, 01:33 PM   #1083
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As soon as the wind picks up and pulls the pad stakes and throws the whole awning back over the trailer, you'll have wished you had used the ratchet straps and dog screws.
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:47 PM   #1084
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As soon as the wind picks up and pulls the pad stakes and throws the whole awning back over the trailer, you'll have wished you had used the ratchet straps and dog screws.

Gotta be honest... After a full season using them... There's no pulling these bad boys out of the ground. The most inconvenient part of the process is getting the flanges out of the ground on Sunday morning. In 30+ days/nights camped, they haven't budged even a little bit. Not sure why it's such an unbelievable concept when, it seems, I'm the only one who's actually tried it? And if the wind picks real real bad, I do have the straps to hook up and anchor (but I'm pretty sure I'd be bringing in the awning if it got that bad).

I got the floor flanges from Amazon... A little pricey, but worth it, IMO. There's a set screw already in the flange. I drilled out that hole with a 5/16 bit... Then continued through the pole and out the other side of the flange... Then used a lock pin for quick release.



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Old 04-06-2015, 05:11 PM   #1086
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Gotta be honest... After a full season using them... There's no pulling these bad boys out of the ground. The most inconvenient part of the process is getting the flanges out of the ground on Sunday morning. In 30+ days/nights camped, they haven't budged even a little bit. Not sure why it's such an unbelievable concept when, it seems, I'm the only one who's actually tried it? And if the wind picks real real bad, I do have the straps to hook up and anchor (but I'm pretty sure I'd be bringing in the awning if it got that bad).

I got the floor flanges from Amazon... A little pricey, but worth it, IMO. There's a set screw already in the flange. I drilled out that hole with a 5/16 bit... Then continued through the pole and out the other side of the flange... Then used a lock pin for quick release.


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Great info, thanks.

The pole and strap combo has a separate member in compression (the pole) and another member in tension (the strap) thus balancing the forces. But with the additional benefit of creating a triangle which is very strong in its own right.

Once you attach the pole to the ground it acts in both tension and compression which is great and eliminates the trip hazard. But does the top of the pole have a tendency to wander around, especially towards the trailer or towards the other pole? That movement is eliminated with straps set at an angle.

If you drive in the stakes at opposing angles it would create a wedge effect. I would bet they would never pull out. I would also devise some tool to pull them out.

With all that said. Is there a need to have any "give" in the structure? The locked down pole if done right is very rigid. Is that a threat to the integrity of the awning fabric? I have seem straps that incorporate springs or is that just for when someone trips over it?
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I've tried staking the poles down with everything but dog screws and in the FL sand, NOTHING will hold. Thus the straps and dog screws at an angle. All I can say is if you can pull the stakes, then so can the wind using the awning to increase the pulling force just like the sail on a boat. BUT, to each his own.
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I've tried staking the poles down with everything but dog screws and in the FL sand, NOTHING will hold. Thus the straps and dog screws at an angle. All I can say is if you can pull the stakes, then so can the wind using the awning to increase the pulling force just like the sail on a boat. BUT, to each his own.
In Florida sand I would say you need two nylon stuff sacks and a shovel

As a long time tent camper I have had to resort to bags of sand or rocks to hold tent lines. Sometimes the ground just won't cooperate.
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When at the race track, we pit on pavement. So, you'll see all kinds of awning set-ups, with guys either using 5gal water jugs or coffee cans w/concrete and a eye bolt inserted for a strap. Your set-up should work just fine and with no 'trip' wire, if you don't have fido, one less thing to untangle them from. Would a nail bar help to pull out anchors? (mini crow bar) ' West coast sand for sail.'
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But does the top of the pole have a tendency to wander around, especially towards the trailer or towards the other pole? That movement is eliminated with straps set at an angle.

No movement or wondering with the quick pins through the holes...
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