Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-29-2010, 08:06 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 5
Brake Drum Removal

I need to remove the brake drum on my Cherokee because I need to replace one of the lug nut studs. I can't seem to pull the drum off. Is there some type of brake shoe release? Any help would be appreciated? Also, are the studs pretty much standard on most campers? If so what is the size?
__________________

__________________
Yamaha74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 08:13 AM   #2
Site Team - Lou
 
Herk7769's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Eastern PA
Posts: 21,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaha74 View Post
I need to remove the brake drum on my Cherokee because I need to replace one of the lug nut studs. I can't seem to pull the drum off. Is there some type of brake shoe release? Any help would be appreciated? Also, are the studs pretty much standard on most campers? If so what is the size?

Crawl under the camper (MAKE SURE YOU HAVE JACK STANDS that can hold the weight of the camper!) and look for a horizontal slot at the bottom of the backing plate. It may have a rubber dust plug in it.

Pop out the dust plug with a large blade common screw driver.
Insert the blade of the screwdriver into the slot and try to engage the brake adjustment pawl. Rotate the pawl wheel (UP I think as its been a while) to retract the brake shoes from contact with the drum. (one direction with tighten the shoes and the drum will stop rotating. The other will loosten the shoes.

Once the shoes are out of the groove they wear into the drum, the drum should come off easily. If not, the drum may be rusted to the hub. Some WD-40 (magic stuff) at the junction of the hub and drum, and a slight tap with a plastic or leather dead blow mallet will pop it off.
__________________

__________________

Lou and Laura with Bella - German Short Hair Pointer
2008 GMC Sierra 2500HD Crewcab SB Allison Duramax
2010 Flagstaff 8526RLWS - Superglide 3300
HAM CALLSIGN - KC3FFW
Herk7769 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 11:49 AM   #3
Site Team
 
KyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 6,732
Hope you've got the drum off by now.
Not sure what to tell you about removing the drum.
How did you get the broken stud head out without removing
the drum??
On my TT the drum and hub are one piece.
Remove the grease cap, cotter pin and outer bearing.
Pull off drum.
I've never had to loosen brake shoes to do this but it could
happen.
Maybe your drum and hub are 2 pieces??
If they are like mine you gotta remove the outer bearing first!
__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2004 5.3L Silverado 1500 ext. cab 2WD
1999 Suzuki Intruder Motorcycle
Blue Ox WD hitch, AirLift load levelers

Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41,
2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63
KyDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 12:58 PM   #4
Site Team - Lou
 
Herk7769's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Eastern PA
Posts: 21,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by KyDan View Post
Hope you've got the drum off by now.
Not sure what to tell you about removing the drum.
How did you get the broken stud head out without removing
the drum??
On my TT the drum and hub are one piece.
Remove the grease cap, cotter pin and outer bearing.
Pull off drum.
I've never had to loosen brake shoes to do this but it could
happen.
Maybe your drum and hub are 2 pieces??
If they are like mine you gotta remove the outer bearing first!
Dan you are most likely right. I was thinking back to my car drum brake job days. Never having had to take the trailer drums off, I just assumed they were the same as car drums. My bad. You know what they say about assumptions.

I need to look closer at the Al-Ko manual again and see how all that works on my axles.
__________________

Lou and Laura with Bella - German Short Hair Pointer
2008 GMC Sierra 2500HD Crewcab SB Allison Duramax
2010 Flagstaff 8526RLWS - Superglide 3300
HAM CALLSIGN - KC3FFW
Herk7769 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 03:29 PM   #5
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 5
I have not removed the drum yet and the stud is still there. It didn't break it. The threads are just in bad shape and I can't get the nut back on it. I did see the slot with the rubber dust plug in it. I did not try and do anything with that. I am hoping the hub and drum are not one piece because I have the bearing buddies installed and I am afraid that those will be relatively hard to remove to get to the grease cap. I will find out tonight.
__________________
Yamaha74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 03:39 PM   #6
Jas
Senior Member
 
Jas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Suffolk, VA
Posts: 130
give the bearing buddies a little love tap with a dead blow or 2x4. Work your way around just like you would with a standard dust cap. It will wiggle out for you. Looking at my setup it looks like the drum is held on with the axle nut. You may still have to back the brakes off depending on how many miles you logged on the trailer. It usually takes quite a bit of time/mileage to wear deep enough grooves to prevent the drum removal. Most of the time the drum has rust welded itself to the hub and a little persuasion is required.

Don't use the WD-40 as it may overshoot and contaminate the brake linings and cause a bigger problem than what you started with.
__________________
2010 Surveyor SV 291
06 F250 4x4 crew cab PSD
1 DW, 1 purebred mutt, 1 ninja beagle

Nights camped in 2011: 19
Jas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 03:52 PM   #7
Site Team
 
KyDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 6,732
I'm betting you have one piece hub/drum.
Check your paper work.
My TT came with ALKO axles.
Just use a piece of scrap wood and hit the bearing buddy on
the side.
Rock it a bit and it'll come right off.
I also have bearing buddy caps and had no problem removing
and replacing them this spring when I did my first bearing/seal
replacement on this trailer.
Good luck!
__________________
Peace!
Dan & Rita D
2004 5.3L Silverado 1500 ext. cab 2WD
1999 Suzuki Intruder Motorcycle
Blue Ox WD hitch, AirLift load levelers

Camping days 2010-53, 2011-47, 2012-41,
2013-41, 2014-31, 2015-40, 2016-44, 2017-63
KyDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 05:40 PM   #8
Site Team - Lou
 
Herk7769's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Eastern PA
Posts: 21,169
Tips on torque

Those of you who had their bearings out; what torque did you use on the axle nut?

Do you just tightened until the rotor does not turn and then back off one cotter key slot?

Never did a trailer (obviously) so I am wondering.
__________________

Lou and Laura with Bella - German Short Hair Pointer
2008 GMC Sierra 2500HD Crewcab SB Allison Duramax
2010 Flagstaff 8526RLWS - Superglide 3300
HAM CALLSIGN - KC3FFW
Herk7769 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 05:58 PM   #9
Jas
Senior Member
 
Jas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Suffolk, VA
Posts: 130
personally, I repack the bearings and tighten the nut 1 good grunt past hand tight to seat the bearings. I then back off 1/2 turn and lock it in. Here's a good tech article on the proper procedure:

TECHNICAL INFORMATION AND TECH ARTICLES

scroll around on the page, there is a lot of good bearing tips
__________________
2010 Surveyor SV 291
06 F250 4x4 crew cab PSD
1 DW, 1 purebred mutt, 1 ninja beagle

Nights camped in 2011: 19
Jas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 06:00 PM   #10
Jas
Senior Member
 
Jas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Suffolk, VA
Posts: 130
oh yeah, drum brakes of all designs self adjust in the reverse direction only. When you get the drum off it will make more sense but if you take it on faith, tap the brakes a few times while backing down the road will reset them automatically
__________________

__________________
2010 Surveyor SV 291
06 F250 4x4 crew cab PSD
1 DW, 1 purebred mutt, 1 ninja beagle

Nights camped in 2011: 19
Jas is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
brakes

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




ForestRiverForums.com is not in any way associated with Forest River, Inc. or its associated RV manufacturing divisions.


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:44 PM.