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Old 09-23-2009, 05:56 PM   #1
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Chineese Tires (Again, groan I know)

Check out this link. Basically says Chineese tires of NAME BRAND are made to the same specs as the same tire made anywhere else in the world. This reflects my experience with Carlisle and Goodyear Chineese tires. I've pulled both brands for 10's of thousands of miles, all day long, in 90 degree heat; without a single problem. Seriously, IMO the key is inflate tires to maximum pressure, don't run at the limit for weight capacity (10 to 20% margin), adhere to the 65 mph limit. The Goodyear Marathons on my Surveyor barely get warm to the touch under the worst of conditions.

I know people report problems. But without a tire pressure monitor, how does ones distinguish a manufacturing flaw from gradual deflation (and then blowout from overheating) due to a road hazard. Once there is a blowout, evidence of a road hazard is wiped away.

So, I guess I'm defending Chineese Major Brand Tires . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32899266/ns/business-autos/

Chineese tires problems tend to be with unknown brands.
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Old 09-23-2009, 08:37 PM   #2
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Check out this link. Basically says Chineese tires of NAME BRAND are made to the same specs as the same tire made anywhere else in the world. This reflects my experience with Carlisle and Goodyear Chineese tires. I've pulled both brands for 10's of thousands of miles, all day long, in 90 degree heat; without a single problem. Seriously, IMO the key is inflate tires to maximum pressure, don't run at the limit for weight capacity (10 to 20% margin), adhere to the 65 mph limit. The Goodyear Marathons on my Surveyor barely get warm to the touch under the worst of conditions.

I know people report problems. But without a tire pressure monitor, how does ones distinguish a manufacturing flaw from gradual deflation (and then blowout from overheating) due to a road hazard. Once there is a blowout, evidence of a road hazard is wiped away.

So, I guess I'm defending Chineese Major Brand Tires . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32899266/ns/business-autos/

Chineese tires problems tend to be with unknown brands.

I had Carlisle tires on my 2006 Rockwood and after the first year the side walls were looking strange like nothing I have ever seen before. I replaced them with Goodyear Marathons, but my Goodyears were made in Canada. I had ST205/75R15's load rated "C" and when I change to the Goodyear's I put ST235/75R15 load rated "D" and had them balanced. But Carlisle makes tires for other types moterized equipment. I have an E-Z-GO customized golf cart and it has Carlisle tires on It. If I drive the golf cart on a hard surface I can fell the thumping in the tires. I may be changing them out as well, but to be fair about it I will check in on this issue where I bought the golf cart. With the reputation of China with other goods, I think twice.
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:45 PM   #3
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OK, I gotta chime in on this post concerning Chinese tire “quality”.

We bought our Surveyor 1 year ago. Over the next month or so, I took the road tires in for balancing. Some took ~4oz. of weight, but no big deal, as some of that could have been in the wheel. I took the spare for balancing, and the 1st place said it didn’t balance correctly, but they got it the best they could. I got a 2nd opinion from another shop, and they said that the previous balancing that was done was about as good as it gets since the tire was out of round. Took it to a nearby Goodyear dealer, and they agreed, but did not have any Marathons in stock, and none showed on the warehouse inventory. They said they couldn’t start a warranty claim unless they had a new tire ready to go on the wheel.....OK, had to take them at their word there. I found a dealer 45 miles away that had Marathons in stock. The counter man took the tire back, came back and told me that the tire was out of round, but they couldn’t adjust it because the tread was down to 5/32nds. Knowing that I had seen the new tire “paint strip” on the tire, we both viewed the tire and he showed me the 5/32nd measurement, and I showed him the paint strip and new tire nobbies on the tread. The tread on that side measured in at 9/32nds. He called 1 of the installers over to look at the tire, and his comment was something on the line of “Oh yeah, the Chinese manufacturers had been known to ‘buff’ their tires when they came off of the line out of round”……I hope this guy got to keep his job after blurting that out. The counter man called Goodyear, and they denied the claim because of the 5/32nd measurement, even though he explained the situation. He told me he would check with the area Goodyear rep to see what could be done, but didn’t give me much hope. A few days later, the counter man called and said Goodyear had agreed to giving me a new tire………I think they were afraid of me going to the NTSB and BBB with this problem…….which I had told the counter man “I guess that was my next step”. I had a little remorse about being “bought out” with a new tire, but notifying the NTSB was questionable, since the tire was probably not any more dangerous that other Chinese tires…….other than shaking all of the screws out of my camper if I ever had to use it. And since they eventually made good on the tire, I really had no reason to go to the BBB.

I have no proof that Goodyear did the buffing on the tire, other than what the installer stated was alleged knowledge among the tire industry. This tire had gone through 3, maybe 4 companies before it got to me…..depending on whether Lippert or Forest River installs the tires. But since travel trailer tires are seldom balanced before it reaches the consumer, I seriously doubt that Lippert, Forest River, or the dealer would even know that was out of round. But……it is very suspicious that this tire ended up as a spare and not on the road. I thinking about that, I wonder if Goodyear offers these faulty tires to trailer manufacturers with a deep discount as “spares only” ?? Just speculating there.

And BTW, I did check the tire code, and it was manufactured in Weihai , China.

In all fairness, I will say that I have not yet had a blowout with either Carlisle or Goodyear trailer tires with about 8000 miles of travel over the last 3 years with 2 different trailers. But, I did see a friend’s Carlisle tire after it blew out while entering a local campground…….and the tire had just been installed several days before.

Here is a photo of the non buffed side of the tire. Note the red strip and nobbies of a new tire.

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Here is a photo of the buffed side. Note the sharp edges on the tread, and also a piece of rubber caught in the tread.

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Some of the rubber pulled out of the tread on the buffed side.......and this is after a bunch of handling and 10,000 miles of traveling across China, the Pacific, and the U.S.A to get here.

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My experience was with Carlisle tires on my former RW2280 pup. I ended up replacing 4 tires on a 2 tire trailer on one trip o and from the beach. And no they were NOT under inflated. This camper told the dealer before i bought my new rig: "No Carlisles, or no sale."
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:25 PM   #5
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I bought my trailer new with DURO, made in Taiwan, tires on it. I ran about 500 miles in a year and a half and there were cracked so bad I was scared to use the trailer. My dealer made a warranty claim and then changed them for me so I could go on vacation but I don't know what the cost, if any, to me is yet. The dealer, Leisure Days, Mercier, really helped me out here.
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I don't understand, RV's come with tires that are made in other countries, that's what it seems like but yet maybe the auto industry is different on American cars and trucks. I bought a 2007 Chevy Trailblazer new and a 2008 Chevy 1500 heavy duty Vorteck Max new both have Goodyear AT/S tires on them but different sizes. I checked the date codes on both trucks and the date code indicates the same year that the tires were made as the model year of each truck and both sets of tire were made in the good old U.S.A.
As far as RV's, is this one way to keep the prices down by suppling tires from overseas?
After I changed my tires on my camper from Carlisle to Goodyear I posted a pic of the inside of the Carlisle tire.There was a seam where the tire were put together. The seam was very uneven looking and it looked like they poured melted rubber over the seam to seal it together. Prior to having the Goodyear tires installed I inspected them as well, the seams were hard to see compared to the Carlisle tires. As far as to where both tires were made, the Carlisle tires were made in China and the Goodyear tires were made in Canada. At this time I have not had any problems with the Goodyear tires. They have been on for two years and have traveled up and down I-95 a number of times at 60 mph +. I will say when I had the Goodyear tire installed I did have them all balanced.
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:51 PM   #7
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Now yall have me thinking I had better check what type of tires on on the boat trailer for my boat. After my issues with the tires on the rig the last thing I need is inferior tires on my boat trailer.

When I used to be more into motorcycles years ago there was a brand of tire made in China called Cheng Shen, They were the cheapest MC tire you could buy and they looked like it. We used to call them Cheng *****.
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:13 PM   #8
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Now yall have me thinking I had better check what type of tires on on the boat trailer for my boat. After my issues with the tires on the rig the last thing I need is inferior tires on my boat trailer.

When I used to be more into motorcycles years ago there was a brand of tire made in China called Cheng Shen, They were the cheapest MC tire you could buy and they looked like it. We used to call them Cheng *****.

It seems like we don't have a choice on buying American made tires or something other then China made, but we just have to keep an eye out for problems before anything happens....
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I was looking @ the codes on my Carlisles. This is what I found "AQKC" & "AQ19". I'm assuming the 2nd code is the DOT plant code & run number for the week the tire was made.

BTW, AQ =

MEIYAN TIRE CO., LTD.MEIXIAN, GUANGDONG CHINA

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I'll take my Greenballs over any "name brand" trailer tires in this country anyday.

Just because it is made in China doesn't meat it is instantly crappy. They're not all created equal.
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