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Old 10-25-2009, 10:56 AM   #1
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Unhappy question on weights

We are new to RVing and considering a 2010 Grey Wolf 29BH. We own a 2008 Chrysler Aspen and plan to get a 10K hitch installed.

This is what we found on the trailer:

hitch weight = 683 lbs
axle wegiht = 5148 lbs
ship weight = 5831 (the dealer keeps referring to this # as what our vehicle can tow)
GVWR w/brakes = 7683

According to Chrysler specs our vehicle has:
wheelbase of 119.2
extra tow package
can pull 6800 pounds

Now a good friend who has pulled 28-30' trailers for over 30 years was trying to explain that there is a weight distributor/equalizer wtih the hitch enables you to pull additional weight.

Please advised, this is so confusing

Thanks!
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:32 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forum!

The shipping weight is the trailer as delivered without water, propane or any of your gear for camping. You can realistically add about 1000lbs to the shipping weight as far as what you'll be pulling down the road. That would put you right at the maximum tow weight for your Aspen. A weight distribution hitch with sway control is a must but would not impact on the maximum weight that your vehicle can tow.

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Old 10-25-2009, 12:09 PM   #3
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Just a hunch or call it a premonition but I think you are going to be dissapointed pulling such a trailer with an SUV based on what I have heard from others.
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Old 10-25-2009, 04:26 PM   #4
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I just went through the same type of calculations as I just bought both a travel trailer and tow vehicle. Based on the numbers you quote, that Aspen is going to be seriously overloaded. For a trailer with that much weight you should be using at least a 1/2 ton pickup with factory tow package, and would probably be better off with a 3/4 ton. Good rule of thumb:

"Total LOADED weight of trailer should be less than 80% of tow vehicle's maximum tow rating".

Also, with a wheelbase of 119.2", a trailer that long is going to play crack-the-whip with you on the highway. You should be looking at trailers with an overall length (hitch point to rear bumper) of less than 23 feet. Another good rule of thumb:

"110 inch wheelbase can safely pull 20 ft (overall) trailer. Each additional 4 inches will allow an additional foot in trailer length".

Yes, there are people who exceed these limits and get away with it, but they are just lucky. Don't take the risk! Unfortunately, too many dealers will say whatever they need to to make a sale.

Hope you find what you are looking for. STAY SAFE!
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Old 10-25-2009, 04:46 PM   #5
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We are new to RVing and considering a 2010 Grey Wolf 29BH. We own a 2008 Chrysler Aspen and plan to get a 10K hitch installed.

This is what we found on the trailer:

hitch weight = 683 lbs
axle wegiht = 5148 lbs
ship weight = 5831 (the dealer keeps referring to this # as what our vehicle can tow)
GVWR w/brakes = 7683

According to Chrysler specs our vehicle has:
wheelbase of 119.2
extra tow package
can pull 6800 pounds

Now a good friend who has pulled 28-30' trailers for over 30 years was trying to explain that there is a weight distributor/equalizer wtih the hitch enables you to pull additional weight.

Please advised, this is so confusing

Thanks!
GVWR w/brakes = 7683 this is max weight your trailer can be as per the manufactuer.
can pull 6800 pounds.... this is probably incorrect

you need a few things about your tow vehicle first
whats its GVWR? (gross vehicle weight rating)
and what is its GCVWR? (Gross combined vehicle weight rating, this is itself and what its pulling)
GAWR (gross axle weight rating front and rear)
What does it weigh with you and your passengers onboard?
chryslers website can help you get the correct GVWR based on what options your truck has, axle ratio engine, factory tow packages, etc

once you have your vehicles empty weight
and GVWR
you can do some math.
subtract your vehicles empty weight from its GVWR and that will give you PAYLOAD. however, keep in mind that could exceed your axle ratings.
I am not familiar with the Chrysler product, but again their website will shed light on axle ratings and the other ratings you need
but the math doesn't change with a different manufacturer

so to summarize
you need to go weigh your vehicle as you would be loaded to take the rv on a trip, full fuel, gear and passengers.
you need its GVWR
you need its GCVWR
you need its GAWR front/rear

you can subtract the GVWR from the GCVWR and that will give you a strong indicator of what your vehicle is rated to tow.
and i would stay at the 80% rating to give your self some wiggle room
you will be surprised how fast STUFF adds up to overweight
on your rv you need to know GAWR as well for each axle, vice its empty axle weight as prescribed by the builder. If you have already taken possession you need to weigh it as well EMPTY.

and yes you will be using a weight distribution hitch. no ifs and or maybes
it does transfer weight to the front wheels to balance the vehicle and give you steering control. thats why its important to know your vehicles axle ratings. you can adjust weight transfer to add or take away weight from axles if needed, not a lot but it can be enough if your close or over weight.

hope it helps

also click
http://www.trailerboats.com/towratin...t=&max_tlimit=
since apsen is no longer on chryslers site
you can type in your rigs specs and it wil give you a pretty close number
if you have the 5.7 engine....etc, 4wd or 2wd
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:18 PM   #6
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I agree with others.....the listed "standard" empty weight, with options and battery and propane will be near the max. of your TV....before you add camping gear. Dealers told me that I could pull anything on their lot, but fortunately I didn't follow their lead.

As far as length vs. wheelbase, here is the commonly used chart that WoodLark referred to:

110" 20'******** 150" 30'
114" 21' ******* 154" 31'
118" 22' ******* 158" 32'
122" 23' ******* 162" 33'
126" 24' ******* 166" 34'
130" 25' ******* 170" 35'
134" 26' ******* 174" 36'
138" 27' ******* 178" 37'
142" 28'******** 182" 38'
146" 29'******** 186" 39'
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:08 PM   #7
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additional info

I got some more info from Chrysler on our 2008 Aspen:

GVWR 6650
Payload 1570
GCWR 11,000

GAWR front 3600
GAWR rear 3900
Bast Weight Total 5082

dont have our 'loaded' weight, but I think that might be a mute point.

Considering we have most of our numbers, is it safe to say we should be looking at trailers with a weight @ 4000-5000 lbs, and more like 24 feet?
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I got some more info from Chrysler on our 2008 Aspen:

GVWR 6650
Payload 1570
GCWR 11,000

GAWR front 3600
GAWR rear 3900
Bast Weight Total 5082

dont have our 'loaded' weight, but I think that might be a mute point.

Considering we have most of our numbers, is it safe to say we should be looking at trailers with a weight @ 4000-5000 lbs, and more like 24 feet?
yup leaves you 4350 pounds of trailer.....if your truck is empty
minus 4 folks at 150 lbs each and your down to 3700 lbs.
at least you know now a good ball park to shoot for
i particularly like the 150 pound rule...as i havent weighed 150 lbs since .....I dont know when.
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yup leaves you 4350 pounds of trailer.....if your truck is empty
Unless I'm missing something, the 4350lbs for the trailer is what left from the GCWR and the truck's GVWR, which would have to include the trailer tongue weight, passengers, gas, camping gear, etc.

As long as his loaded truck weight (with the trailer attached) is not above the truck's GVWR of 6650lbs, he could still tow a 5000lb trailer (loaded weight) with a 650lb tongue weight.

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Unless I'm missing something, the 4350lbs for the trailer is what left from the GCWR and the truck's GVWR, which would have to include the trailer tongue weight, passengers, gas, camping gear, etc.

As long as his loaded truck weight (with the trailer attached) is not above the truck's GVWR of 6650lbs, he could still tow a 5000lb trailer (loaded weight) with a 650lb tongue weight.

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i figured it like this...

gcvwr 11000 minus gvwr of 6650 leaves 4350
i assumed the loaded tow vehicle would be loaded close to its gvwr only because its base weight is so high 5082 and that only includes one person in most manufactures specs. and not any optional equipment.

i agree 5k might be in the range but only marginally at best
we can never really know until we have a real world empty weight.
The base weight listed from mans. is not an absolute, its the base vehicle, base engine and tranny, base interior, etc.

the big three used to have a place on their sites to add all of the extras, like leather seats, radios, different bumpers, interior options, shocks etc and get a real accurate build weight
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