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Old 09-10-2009, 07:27 PM   #1
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Angry Tongue Broke Off

I own a 2005 Forest River, Work & Play that I use as a race trailer for motorcycles. The only thing that I haul up in the front floor space is a couple sets of tires. Everything else that I haul (bikes, tools, gear, etc) is in the back over the axles.

Last weekend as I am headed out of town, the tongue broke off my trailer at the front of the box, where the A-frame tubes are welded to the frame. Obviously with the trailer rubbing along the ground on its belly, the propane lines and wire lume got trashed also. Fortunatley no other cars where involved.

After looking at the rectangular tubing to see what happened it is clear that when they welded the bottom side of the tube to the trailer frame they "blew through" the metal (which is only 1/16" wall thickness!!) causing a weak point. Both sides of the A-frame were this way. Over time it developed a crack starting at these holes, and once the cracked worked its way across, and out to the side walls, it just snapped off.

I called Forest River and talked to the Warranty and Repairs department about it, and they stated that the manufacturer of the frames at that time was Lippert Components (spelling?), and Forest River no longer uses them to build their frames. I called Lippert and left a message and haven't heard back.

This seems to be obvious that this is a manufacturing defect/problem, but yet I can't seem to get any support. Does anyone have any advise as to where I should go with this from here?

Also note: One of my buddies has the exact same trailer, and upon inspection of the A-frame on his trailer, it too has holes on the tubing where they blew through it when welding.

Inspect your trailer tongues everyone...before someone gets killed.

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Old 09-10-2009, 07:45 PM   #2
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Man, this stinks!!
Since you have on 05 you are well out of warranty.
I'm guessing your only recourse is to have a good truck,
frame shop weld it back.
They can use some "scabs" to beef it up at the area in question
and should be able to make it stronger than new for not a whole
lot of money.

You can always file a complaint to the
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/

Good luck!!
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:18 PM   #3
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I echo Dan's suggestion about getting a good welding shop to repair it. I'd also report it to the NHTSA. You never know, it may save someones life.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:18 PM   #4
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YES ABSOLUTELY!! Report this to the NHTSA. There may be hundreds of frames just like this one out there waiting to fail with disastrous results. If the owners are all notified then they can have (relatively) simple repairs made, even if at their own expense, that could save lives and thousands of dollars in repairs.

Not to mention this isn't a warranty issue IMHO. This is just bad workmanship or material that goes beyond warranty. The manufacturers have an obligation to provide a safe product.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:26 PM   #5
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I post some questions about Lippert frames not too long ago because of some things I heard. I was just checking the internet about the frame under my camper. Checked some other forums and Lippert is a very big topic. One thread that I was reading, the member said that the extrior walls to his TT were sagging and the cabinets had pull away from the ceiling about 1/2", his rig is a 2007 Springdale and it's in the shop. It was mentioned that Lippert builds the frames to manufactures spec so all Lippert frames do not have the same design, some people may have problems and some may not. At this time I can not find out what frame is supporting mine because the camper is two hours away. Most concerns have always been Carlisle tires, now it's the frames...what next? It's a shame that we pay for poor eingineering and sloppy workmanship.
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Old 09-11-2009, 08:45 AM   #6
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From last post "It's a shame that we pay for poor engineering and sloppy workmanship. " Not a shame, it's what we have done to ourselves. During the gas shortage in the 70's we showed that we would accept poor engineering and sloppy workmanship by buying Japanese junk cars, just to save a few cents on gasoline. We put up with lack of parts, ridiculous pricing, and long waits for repairs, just to make Honda and Toyota Major players in the auto industry. They have even passed our own GM, Ford, and Chrysler. What next? We spend our money at Walmart on Chinese stuff made by child labor, whiles Sears and J.C. Penny's suffer trying to sell American products to a consumer that is more concerned over a few dollars saved immediately rather than the long-term cost of buying a cheap product that needs replacing 3 times before one good one would wear out. We throw stuff away like candy wrappers, televisions, microwaves, washing machines, and now with the help of own government even cars. We have forced the manufacturer to give us what we demand, CHEAP! Now when it breaks we want to complain. Go to the mirror and let the person you see there have it, because he/she is mostly at fault. It's not poor engineering and sloppy workmanship, it's little engineering and lack of proper training for the worker because this takes MONEY and we, as Americans have proven we're NOT willing to pay for it. I'll step down now. I am sorry to hear about this and any other problems I read on here, and have my own with my trailer. We shouldn't have any problems, but we do, and the only one I can blame is ourselves. We made our bed, now it's time to sleep in it, and I'm afraid it will be a long winter's night.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:23 AM   #7
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From last post "It's a shame that we pay for poor engineering and sloppy workmanship. " Not a shame, it's what we have done to ourselves. During the gas shortage in the 70's we showed that we would accept poor engineering and sloppy workmanship by buying Japanese junk cars, just to save a few cents on gasoline. We put up with lack of parts, ridiculous pricing, and long waits for repairs, just to make Honda and Toyota Major players in the auto industry. They have even passed our own GM, Ford, and Chrysler. What next? We spend our money at Walmart on Chinese stuff made by child labor, whiles Sears and J.C. Penny's suffer trying to sell American products to a consumer that is more concerned over a few dollars saved immediately rather than the long-term cost of buying a cheap product that needs replacing 3 times before one good one would wear out. We throw stuff away like candy wrappers, televisions, microwaves, washing machines, and now with the help of own government even cars. We have forced the manufacturer to give us what we demand, CHEAP! Now when it breaks we want to complain. Go to the mirror and let the person you see there have it, because he/she is mostly at fault. It's not poor engineering and sloppy workmanship, it's little engineering and lack of proper training for the worker because this takes MONEY and we, as Americans have proven we're NOT willing to pay for it. I'll step down now. I am sorry to hear about this and any other problems I read on here, and have my own with my trailer. We shouldn't have any problems, but we do, and the only one I can blame is ourselves. We made our bed, now it's time to sleep in it, and I'm afraid it will be a long winter's night.

Your statements in your post is completely true,"WE THE PEOPLE" have allow this to happen. I do not have a problem paying a good money for a good product, but where can one buy a good product. As far as engineering, if it's little engineering then it's poor engineering, as far as sloppy workmanship, if it is lack of training then those whom are doing the training can only pass on what they know so there training was limited therefore it becames sloppy workmanship....One thing that was not mentioned is quality control, this step is to over see the final product, to catch engineering, workmanship and tooling problems. Is this a step that was taken out to make a product cheaper or a lack of training. When one makes $2.00 an hour, then why should they care, it's all about how much money a company can make without a lot of over head. As long as we pay good money for products that last a short time we will be back to buy them over and over again now that's "good engineering".
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As for the statement of spending our money at Walmart, well thanks to the geniuses over in DC along with living in Maryland "THE TAX STATE" what we have left in our paychecks limits what we need to buy and where we can afford to buy it. It's not always what we want to do but what we're forced to do to get by. Wait until this Federal Health Insurance Bill kicks in, we'll all have less in our pockets but we'll be taking care of, the too many that never got off their butts to do anything with their lives, or snuck across the border. At the rate we're getting taxed and soon to be more, What are we supposed to live off of?

I guess the old IRS joke is becoming reality. "HOW MUCH DID YOU MAKE LAST YEAR?" SEND IT IN!!!!!!!
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I agree with the quality issues of the products made today. And, I have yet to see a Jap produced 2500, or 3500 truck! If you need that to pull your rig, you gotta go with the big 3!! That shows who has the truck world by the towing/hauling capacities. No Jap dualies, or diesels,for that matter. Something to think about...... Randy
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Wow, how did we get from an American built broken frame to
Jap bashing......
And while you've got me here--- My last truck,
a Chevy S10 Blazer with the big V6 was blowing smoke
at 95000 and I took good care of it.
My previous car was a Ford Taurus.
It blew head gaskets at 65000 miles exactly 1 year after
the "free extended head gasket" warranty had expired.
We traded it in on a Nissan Maxima.
Absolutely no problems with that one.
Detroit brought a LOT of their problems on themsleves.

This opinion from a guy who just retired from 37 years
as a union member and employee of GE.

If you want to get all political then please move to the
political soap box er I mean forum!

If you've got suggestions on how to fix a broken frame
this is the place.

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