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Old 06-01-2016, 10:28 PM   #11
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Good point. 30amps is 30amps. Even this weekend on shore power I tripped a breaker using the outdoor microwave while having the Ac, water heater and fridge on electric.

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Old 06-01-2016, 10:30 PM   #12
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The water heater is a big power sucker at like 13a. All for something that a little bit of propane does so well. I just use that. When your batteries r low and the converter kicks in I think FR told me it was like 10a if I remember correctly. So ya it all adds up just pick what is important.
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:43 PM   #13
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cool thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like the 3100 will do what I need it to. I don't expect to run the AC and everything else at the same time.
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Old 06-02-2016, 06:58 AM   #14
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Is the 3100 quiet? Reading numbers is one thing, but first hand experience is another.
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Old 06-02-2016, 08:46 AM   #15
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If you go back to Generator School 101...you will note that volts x amps= watts. That number shouldn't exceed the rated output (in watts) of the generator. Rated output is the amount that the genset can sustainably produce. Max output is the amount that the genset can deliver for a short period and deals with starting current (aka power factor). That is how marketing departments usually derive their model numbers for the generator is max output.
On electric motors, especially starting under load you can just about bet that pwr factor will be 1 1/2X, even though momentarily. The bigger the electric motor or starting load( like a pump) the greater the power factor will be. You are probably not going to be into the 2 or 3 range in power factors in your application, that would be in air compressors or such.
ie. I have a 13.5K Btu AC and my Honda 3000i Handi will do it. but, I can't tell by the way the genset sounds that it is giving it's all. Crunch your numbers 120V x (x) amps= W, W X 1.5= starting wattage. This calculation, should give you a better idea if your prospective generator is going to do or die. You will be able to tell by the way the AC starts on the generator vs. the shore power( it will take longer) you may see an overload indicator on the genset or pop the breaker. I will tell you repeated popping of any breaker is not cool and over repeated situations will compoimise the the breaker's ability to control overload
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Old 06-02-2016, 09:36 AM   #16
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Is the 3100 quiet? Reading numbers is one thing, but first hand experience is another.
Its not a Honda, but its really quite compared to my old General I had. My neighbor and I both bought new generators a day apart from each other. He got the General regular style generator (actually the exact same as my old unit) and I bought the General inverter 3100. He didn't know I bought one and invited me over to look at his new toy. He started it up and was saying how quite it was for a generator (and yes, they aren't bad compared to some Ive heard in the past like those old Briggs models). I said well come look at my new toy... started mine up and he was like ummm maybe mine is not as quite as I thought it was. Haha

If you aren't using it for the AC you will be fine using it on econo mode and that really makes a difference on how loud it is. And it will run just the AC on econo mode, but when you start adding stuff it seemed to be a little too much stress on it and I would kick it on over to regular mode.

I'm happy with the purchase. I think I paid 700 at Costco and the Honda is almost double that if I remember. The only time I really use mine is for BBQ cook-offs and it really doesn't help sometimes when it seems like everyone around me has one of those farm model 10yr old B&S monster just a clattering and raising cain! I try to get by myself most of the time, but sometimes you just have to deal with it!
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:08 AM   #17
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When I had a TT I didn't have a generator integrated. That was when I bought a harbor freight predator 4000/3000 and it powered the trailer with AC (13.5) and such. It was still a 30A main so I did occasionally blow the breaker on that generator. I the upgraded to the 8000/7000 Westinghouse with electric starter. As I said, it would have the same issue cuz 30A. Both were loud. I didn't care because I used it either in the desert or at the race track. At the track most others have real loud generators so no reason to have a quiet one. Pointless when the others r all purring all day. In the desert I'd put it far from the trailer.

I will say I have heard those little quiet ryobis in person and they are indeed really quiet. If you ever expect to use a generator at a camp ground (not all have hookups u know) you probably need one of those inverter style quiet ones. Check the DB ratings on them though.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:49 AM   #18
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Y'all forget generators are like your TV... running them at their max like a 3100w is not good for them... I was told by an electrical engineer that they are made to run long periods of time at 50% load.... running at 80-100% of the rating causes permature failure and they drink gas like crazy. Also the manufacturer's rating for noise is done at 50% load so it will be much louder at higher loads.
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:16 AM   #19
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I can speak to the generator using tons more gas if near max. When I ran my 4000 near max it guzzled gas, but running my 8000 at 1/2'ish it used less gas. Running at the same load as the 4000. Different brands I guess too, but it wasnt working hard at all to do what the smaller generator was doing.
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My 3100 General inverter will run on high loaded for around 6 hours or so. It only holds 1.4 gallons of gas I believe. I'm not sure, but that seems pretty good to me!
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