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Old 08-24-2014, 12:51 AM   #21
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Even though the Berkshire will stop itself and the toad, the most hazardous situation that I feel that the most braking power is required, is on roads with traffic lights and speed limits of 45 to 55 mph. Since one cannot estimate when a green light will turn to yellow, we all know (or should ) know to keep a good distance from the vehicle in front. However, even with no vehicle in front, sometimes the light goes yellow at a most inappropriate time and you can go sliding with brakes on into the intersection with cross traffic. Not good, so use a supplementary brake IMHO.

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Old 08-25-2014, 12:29 AM   #22
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I do not use a brake system either. Purchased a brake buddy for my original toad which was a 2005 dodge dakota. Used it a handful of times and it rode the brake and wore them down. Had to have the dakota brakes replaced twice within 3 weeks of each other. Mechanic told me it was the brake buddy. Not sure if it was faulty or if it was my installation, but i read and re-read the directions and seemed to have it positioned correctly. Stopped using it after that summer (2010) and have had no issues with my brakes since. I now tow a 2012 equinox (3500 lbs) with a 7500 lb. blue ox aladdin. No aux brake system. Dont even know it's back there. I take my time, keep my distance and let the engine do a lot of the work.

That being said, my biggest fear is a break away (rare but they do happen) and not having a brake system to stop the toad. My uncle uses the ready brake and has had no issues. Very simple to install and hook-up is a cinch at the campgrounds. Gonna save my pennies so i can purchase it and have it ready for summer 2015 travel season. Better to be safe than sorry.

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Old 08-25-2014, 01:08 AM   #23
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I had no problems when I used.the brake buddy with our old Saturn but I have experienced the same problem as Mike when I used it with my Flex. As I said in previous note
.. The Flex does not have a flat floor. This causes the unit to move slightly and cause the brakes to slightly engage.

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Old 08-25-2014, 06:28 AM   #24
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With reference to Mbh818's problem with excessive toad brake wear, we have a Patriot and have towed a Nissan Pathfinder about 30,000 miles. Brake wear has been negligible. I like the wireless remote that allows me to adjust the braking force to avoid it riding the Pathfinder's brakes. The Patriot will release the brakes if they have been applied for a period of time to avoid overheating them. I don't know the duration - I never had it happen. Also, with the wireless remote, I can apply the Pathfinder's brakes. I use this to test that it's working properly after we hook up.

With reference to lefaivre's problem with not having a flat floor, the Patriot has three adjustable feet for leveling.

One concern for any self-contained brake system is false brake applications. I'd had it happen a handful of times in 30,000 miles, like going over rough rail crossings. It always releases in a few seconds and has caused no problems.

I will state that it takes two or three seconds for the Patriot to fully apply the brakes. I don't know how that compares to others.

The Patriot has worked well for us but choose what's best for you. Having air brakes on your coach allows choices our Class C doesn't.
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I agree with ramble guy. Having the wireless remote on the dash with the Patriot is a major plus. I know when the brakes are on and when not. On a normal reasonable stop the Patriot does not activate but when I have a hard stop it seems to be right there with the coach's braking force. Even though it has 3 adjustable feet because of the floor configuration in my Explorer I use a bungee cord around the top and down to the seat bracket. It takes a couple of added seconds to attach but I find it holds the Patriot a little better. I would not travel without an auxiliary braking system beside being against the law in most states I want as much security as possible since sometimes stopping that 30000 pound monster can be a trick.


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Old 08-25-2014, 10:20 AM   #26
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I also have a remote on my Brake Buddy Vantage. I agree that it is nice to see when then brakes are being applied and the ability to adjust the system while going down the road. I don't see mine applied often, generally during a panic stop....and that's where I really need it. I think that all of the systems have their strong and weak points. I bought the brake buddy because I got it from a dealer that was decreasing his inventory and sold it to me for lees than $800. I have looked at the integrated systems, but for the amount of times that I use the toad, this is just as easy.


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Old 08-27-2014, 02:48 AM   #27
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I have a 2014 Berkshire and tow a 2014 Flex using Roadmaster products. I have the Blackhawk II tow bar, the Roadmaster baseplate, and Brakemaster 9160 braking system. I installed all of the products myself and I'm very happy with the setup.
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:50 PM   #28
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Not wanting to be an antagonist here, in fact I will probably get some sort of brake system in the near future simply to minimize my legal liability.

But here is a link to a thread on another forum. Pay particular attention to post #9; and within that post a link to all 50 states towing laws (and Canada too).

The poster makes some interesting points.

http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?s...e+%2Bbuddy#ent

Boowho??

EDIT: Anyone have any info or an opinion on the Roadmaster Even Brake.
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Old 08-27-2014, 02:51 PM   #29
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Even though the Berkshire will stop itself and the toad, the most hazardous situation that I feel that the most braking power is required, is on roads with traffic lights and speed limits of 45 to 55 mph. Since one cannot estimate when a green light will turn to yellow, we all know (or should ) know to keep a good distance from the vehicle in front. However, even with no vehicle in front, sometimes the light goes yellow at a most inappropriate time and you can go sliding with brakes on into the intersection with cross traffic. Not good, so use a supplementary brake IMHO.

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I know it pisses off other drivers, but (again) my driving habits are so "docile" that a full out panic stop would be VERY rare for me. On a road with traffic lights every mile or so, I drive at least 10 MPH under the limit, especially if there is a passing lane.

As a professional driver (18 wheels), I was taught to always expect the unexpected and to try and "gauge" every traffic light with respect as to whether or not it's about to change. Can't always do it, but MANY times you can anticipate an impending flip-to-red.

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Old 08-27-2014, 11:17 PM   #30
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Excellent reference to the rvnetwork thread, Boo. Thank you.


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