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Old 08-09-2013, 06:32 PM   #111
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what did they do to your rig specifically? i have the same model and engine and would need that done as well.

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The suspension mod for the later models 390RB-40L, and case-by-case for the 390BH-40L is:
- bigger airbags up front
- bigger (275 80 LRG 22.5) XZE2 tires all around
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:03 PM   #112
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Let me clarify the sequence:
- Arrival at FCCC at appointed time with Randy's email to FCCC of mod approval in hand
- Was informed of new policy (07/19/2013) to ascertain that when fully loaded the coach is over the FA GAWR (and/or GVWR? - I'm not sure), otherwise approval must be elevated, in spite of having been approved previously; I recently heard this policy has since been rescinded
- Was sent out to fill everything up
- Drove back to FCCC Oasis with everything full, except for empty fresh water tank; handled horribly, even with no fresh or grey water
- Filled empty water tank at FCCC Oasis (717 lbs, 80% on RA, 20% on FA)
- Shop did the 4-corner weighing (see 4-corner figures shown); added 410 lbs on FA for driver and pass
- Was over FA GAWR, therefore mod proceeded without further ado
- Got the fix; asked for and got 99 psi front, 82 psi rear tire pressures
- Now not over on FA (new FA GAWR is 12,000 lbs; rear remains at 17.500)
- Over on RA GAWR of 17,500 only when more than 60% fresh water (again, 80% on RA, 20% on FA)
- Drove 535 mi back home with vastly improved handling - more like a lightly loaded truck in spite of still being at the overload condition (see 4-corner weights obtained)

Randy stated that we will eventually get new stickers from FCCC showing the new weights.

I don't see how anyone could NOT be over the FA GAWR (and for that matter the GWVR), which may be why the weighing policy was rescinded. I recommend you get the 4-corner weighing, even if it's no longer part of the warranty fix, and you now have to pay for it.

I believe the short-lived requirement to load everything up for a weighing served to give owners a true before-and-after picture of what the mod did for them; some of the folks were saying "they couldn't tell the difference", or there was "maybe a slight improvement". IMHO, comparing the pre- vs. post-modification overload condition, there was a huge difference in handling.

Hope this helps you.

I've HAD the 4 corner weighing. I'm still over on the back, but OK on the front. The weighing was done by a certified weigh master using certified 4 corner scales at the Escapade Rally at Gillette, WY last month.

FR HAS done the same upgrade on my coach that they've done on yours and everybody else's with this problem. I was trying to determine if your are NOW OK on BOTH axles, or not. I am NOT; still over on RA even after the upgrade.

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Old 08-09-2013, 07:35 PM   #113
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I've HAD the 4 corner weighing. I'm still over on the back, but OK on the front. The weighing was done by a certified weigh master using certified 4 corner scales at the Escapade Rally at Gillette, WY last month.

FR HAS done the same upgrade on my coach that they've done on yours and everybody else's with this problem. I was trying to determine if your are NOW OK on BOTH axles, or not. I am NOT; still over on RA even after the upgrade.

Boowho??
was the rear axle air bags upgraded too? or just the fronts?
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:21 PM   #114
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I was trying to determine if your are NOW OK on BOTH axles, or not. I am NOT; still over on RA even after the upgrade.

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I already stated that I was over on RA GAWR of 17,500 only when more than 60% fresh water...

I also stated that the RA GAWR remains at the 17,500 stated on the sticker...

Perhaps you are under the impression that an upgrade strictly confined to front axle suspension modification would somehow alter the rear axle overload problem. If so, I can't help you.

I don't regard a 230 lb exceedance of the RA GAWR a problem, when I can make it go away by carrying 60% instead of 100% fresh water capacity (which I don't usually need), and there is no handling problem associated with the rear loading anyway. In other words, I intend to comply with the RA GAWR of 17,500, and don't find that to be a problem, as I don't need to carry more than 60% fresh water.

The coach drives with a full tank of fresh water as if it had a 19,000 lb rear axle, albeit uncertified.
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:15 AM   #115
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was the rear axle air bags upgraded too? or just the fronts?
Just the FA. I suspect that the RA would have totally replaced and that would be cost prohibitive for FR.

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Old 08-10-2013, 01:22 AM   #116
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Perhaps you are under the impression that an upgrade strictly confined to front axle suspension modification would somehow alter the rear axle overload problem. If so, I can't help you.
I NEVER thoughtthat at all, Hallen01......

I'm still overweight with ALL tanks (in the rear) empty.

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Send me half of the cash you store in that MH and i'll hold it for you. That should get you under weight and we will all be happy.
Even if they could get is up to 19500 on the rear that would give us 31500 GVW. Leaving 1500# to tow the car of our dreams. The weak link here is the 2500 transmission. Unless you have the 360 HP motor and the 3000 transmission increasing the GAW on the drive axel is not going to fix anything.
I for one wish I had bought the 360hp. I can't go back and change it and I can't afford to trade it so I work with what I have. I for one feel that FR made a mistake and although I hold them responsible they have for me made it right and given me a MH that has a lot going for it. I'm happy and that's in large part to the end results. The path to the fix was bumpy but the results are what counts. Randy and his team got on top of the issue and found a resolution. I think FR learned something about the product they produced and made it even better on 2014. Sure wish I could trade them for one. Safe travels everyone. We are staying at Traverse Bay Resort and having a ball. What a beautiful resort. Now if I can go all weak without buying a lot.
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Send me half of the cash you store in that MH and i'll hold it for you. That should get you under weight and we will all be happy.
Even if they could get is up to 19500 on the rear that would give us 31500 GVW. Leaving 1500# to tow the car of our dreams. The weak link here is the 2500 transmission. Unless you have the 360 HP motor and the 3000 transmission increasing the GAW on the drive axel is not going to fix anything.
I for one wish I had bought the 360hp. I can't go back and change it and I can't afford to trade it so I work with what I have. I for one feel that FR made a mistake and although I hold them responsible they have for me made it right and given me a MH that has a lot going for it. I'm happy and that's in large part to the end results. The path to the fix was bumpy but the results are what counts. Randy and his team got on top of the issue and found a resolution. I think FR learned something about the product they produced and made it even better on 2014. Sure wish I could trade them for one. Safe travels everyone. We are staying at Traverse Bay Resort and having a ball. What a beautiful resort. Now if I can go all weak without buying a lot.
Great Park - we spent a week there last July !
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Old 08-10-2013, 04:32 PM   #119
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I already stated that I was over on RA GAWR of 17,500 only when more than 60% fresh water...

I also stated that the RA GAWR remains at the 17,500 stated on the sticker...

Perhaps you are under the impression that an upgrade strictly confined to front axle suspension modification would somehow alter the rear axle overload problem. If so, I can't help you.

I don't regard a 230 lb exceedance of the RA GAWR a problem, when I can make it go away by carrying 60% instead of 100% fresh water capacity (which I don't usually need), and there is no handling problem associated with the rear loading anyway. In other words, I intend to comply with the RA GAWR of 17,500, and don't find that to be a problem, as I don't need to carry more than 60% fresh water.

The coach drives with a full tank of fresh water as if it had a 19,000 lb rear axle, albeit uncertified.
have you weighed your rig fully loaded with your all gear, clothes, and food?

cutting it that close on the rear axle unloaded would definitely mean you will be over weight with real usage...
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Hey Phil57
You kind of mentioned that FR has improved the weight situation for the 2014's. the brochures that I see so far, indicated the same 29,710 GVWR. Maybe I am not seeing the 2014 spec.
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