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12-30-2013, 11:19 PM
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The only wrinkle in that, rockfordroo, is that many parks charge for electricity once you stay more than a week
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OK. (I've never stayed anywhere more than about 4 days.) If that's true, then it makes the economics of going to CheapHeat even worse!! Now you've got the electric furnace PLUS the electricity costs to bounce against the propane savings, so it'll take even longer to pay back.
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12-31-2013, 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rockfordroo
OK. (I've never stayed anywhere more than about 4 days.) If that's true, then it makes the economics of going to CheapHeat even worse!! Now you've got the electric furnace PLUS the electricity costs to bounce against the propane savings, so it'll take even longer to pay back.
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That I agree with, Even through the RV Dr. recommends this he is being paid to do it. You can buy a lot of propane for 1000.00. I also agree with the idea of CG raising the overnight fee to make up for there payment of electric. Which we all get caught in and have to pay higher rates.
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12-31-2013, 11:41 AM
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For what it's worth I use a quartz heater in my 35 foot motor home it does a great job and it is very low noise.
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12-31-2013, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by caper
If you have poor air flow now the electric furnace will not improve the flow. It is an add on that attaches to the front of your gas furnace and uses the duct work already in the unit. You would be better off purchasing one or two small electric heaters. We have heated our trailer using a oil filled heater in the living room and a small ceramic heater in the bedroom. Outside temp. have dropped to low 20's. Trailer stayed at 70+ inside. We also used a dehumidifier to keep the moisture down. We were on a metered site and it cost us $150/month for electric. The people who were heating their trailers with propane were paying $75/ month for hydro and they had a problem keeping the heat at 70degrees in side during cold spells.
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The reason this electric solution is preferred over space heaters is that it uses the existing ductwork to circulate that electric heat. In cold weather, your pipes can and do freeze up when the furnace is not run (I know this from experiance). Some have rewired their furnace fans (OC for one) so that they can use electric heaters and circulate the heat with the furnace fan. Some campers are worse than others depending on insulation, locations of water lines, under floor sheathing etc.
I am not advocating this device, but just an awareness of the issue of using space heaters without the furnace in sub freezing weather.
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01-06-2014, 08:57 AM
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It would be nice if you could run fans with no heat running.
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01-06-2014, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Newellri
It would be nice if you could run fans with no heat running.
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Wiring the furnace fan to run without the burner is a relatively simple project. Most difficult task is removing the furnace to get to the fan motor.
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01-06-2014, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Newellri
It would be nice if you could run fans with no heat running.
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There is a couple of ways, 1st) you could add a switch just to bring the blower on. the 2nd way is to buy a fan center from axcel or suburban and install that. that is the correct way to do it. The fan center works the same as your house furnace. Hope that helps.
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01-06-2014, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gljurczyk
There is a couple of ways, 1st) you could add a switch just to bring the blower on. the 2nd way is to buy a fan center from axcel or suburban and install that. that is the correct way to do it. The fan center works the same as your house furnace. Hope that helps.
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Considered the extra fan Glen, but trying to find a place to install it that would feed all the ducts was to me a major drawback.
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01-06-2014, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by OldCoot
Considered the extra fan Glen, but trying to find a place to install it that would feed all the ducts was to me a major drawback.
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The fan center only replaces the one that is installed now, that is where all your stat wires hook to. It is just a relay. You don't move any ducts it's just a controller. It will just work the same as yours Neil, but through the subase of the stat anyway how did you wire you switch in. I never did ask you that. Also quick note 9 degrees here tonight, should have listen to you and headed to Florida already.
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01-07-2014, 11:22 PM
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Plain Old Member
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Location: Full Timing in South Louisiana
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Anybody got any pictures or diagrams of how to wire / modify the furnace fan to run alone without burning propane? Sounds like something I'd love to do.
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01-07-2014, 11:45 PM
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The reason this electric solution is preferred over space heaters is that it uses the existing ductwork to circulate that electric heat. In cold weather, your pipes can and do freeze up when the furnace is not run (I know this from experiance). Some have rewired their furnace fans (OC for one) so that they can use electric heaters and circulate the heat with the furnace fan. Some campers are worse than others depending on insulation, locations of water lines, under floor sheathing etc.
I am not advocating this device, but just an awareness of the issue of using space heaters without the furnace in sub freezing weather.
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I agree with what you are saying but the OP said that he had poor air flow to some area and wanted to know if the electric furnace would improve air flow. If you have poor air flow the electric furnace will not improve the flow as it uses the existing fan and duct work. One option is to use a booster on the vent to increase flow.
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04-05-2014, 08:29 PM
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I like the idea of this "Cheapheat" system to keep my camper nice and warm and not worry about propane tanks going empty. I think it would also be a huge convenience while at a CG with electricity factored in the cost of the site.
When propane tanks can get filled at a reasonable price it's not too bad...BUT when you fill a 30lb tank for $30, it doesn't take long at those absurd prices to pay for this system!
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04-05-2014, 09:28 PM
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Where the heck can you fill a 30lb tank for $30 bucks???? That stuff is $3.50 - $3.70 a lb around here....
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04-05-2014, 09:42 PM
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Oklahoma Proud
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Location: central OK
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We ordered the electric fireplace on our new sabre.
I'm curious as to what the cost of the electric fire place cost on electric usage vs. Propane.
Also to the previous poster, I believe that propane is sold by the gallon. And a gallon weighs 4.2lb so a 30# bottle will hold a little over 7 gallons, so even at $4 a gallon (which is crazy high, if you lock in a contract you can get around $1.69 a gal) that would be about $28 -30 a bottle to fill.
I just wonder how fast that electric heater is gonna make the meter spin when I have my own meter on a seasonal site!
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04-05-2014, 09:47 PM
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We supplement with a small edenpure at night when we have shore power. works great and keeps the moisture down.
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04-06-2014, 01:00 AM
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Location: Lancaster, NY
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I recently paid $4.59 a gallon for propane in Georgia, which is about what I normally pay for a gallon of propane from a RV Dealer or Campground. I found that you must ensure that they have the large nozzle attachment to fit a motorhome connection however. I have tried getting it at places that fill bottles, but I can never find one with the larger connector.
On my 2011 Berkshire Bunkhouse the propane tank capacity is stated in both gallons and pounds: Propane Capacity (gal / lbs): 24.5 / 103.9
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04-06-2014, 02:02 AM
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Location: Iowa
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Just put 250 gallon in home tank last week.
1.36 a gallon
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04-10-2014, 09:19 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Home is where I park it
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Originally Posted by ernest917
Where the heck can you fill a 30lb tank for $30 bucks???? That stuff is $3.50 - $3.70 a lb around here....
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Apples vs Oranges..... Pounds vs Gallons.....
Boowho??
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