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Old 07-02-2015, 12:56 AM   #21
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Yes we have the same problem with ours. I was told by our dealer that the pump doesn't have enough water pressure, so temperature fluctuates. But the pump we have is the one that comes in our 2015 Shockwave. Basically our Girard is work in progress. I wish I had a tank not a tankless.
I have seen you can get those pressure equalization or expansion tanks and it hooks up next to the water pump. Maybe I can try that and see if that helps keep the water temp. more stable.
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Old 07-02-2015, 07:03 AM   #22
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When we were at FR plant I asked Dave Carpenter about swapping the Girard for an Atwood, he said it would fit but I'd have to change the cover. Did you have to change your cover and re-paint?

Yes there are differences in construction and there was repainting but you would not know it did not come from factory that way they did a great job. Dealer did everything for no cost to me.
There are many posts on this item and some success stories of no problem operation but I ask myself multiple times if things are great why did FR change manufactures for the 2016.
Time will tell we leave this morning for a weekend of camping so stay tuned for an update next week on how it went.
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Old 07-02-2015, 09:19 AM   #23
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PFurlow: Look on page 24 of the attached manual and it will tell you how to test the gas modulator switch (that's the knob that adjusts the temperature rise).

williamthiess: There are also instructions in this manual on how to check the sail switch.

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Old 07-02-2015, 10:23 AM   #24
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Hey not to change the subject, but does anyone else bump the water fixture in the shower and change the temp? I'm a little paranoid that I'll burn myself when I take a shower.


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Hasn't been a problem so far (bumping the fixture), but then with the water heater issues we've had, I've only gotten to shower in the RV one time and I scalded a nice spot on my shoulder then (about 3" diameter - blistered and peeled - fun!). We did notice, though, that if we turned off the flow at the shower head (actually just decreased it since it has to flow some) the fixture appeared to be leaking from behind it. The guys are looking at it right now along with the other issues, but the tech told me yesterday that the hose to the shower head is a push on connection that tends to leak sometimes. They fix it by putting a clamp around it.
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Old 07-05-2015, 09:32 PM   #26
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Yes there are differences in construction and there was repainting but you would not know it did not come from factory that way they did a great job. Dealer did everything for no cost to me.
There are many posts on this item and some success stories of no problem operation but I ask myself multiple times if things are great why did FR change manufactures for the 2016.
Time will tell we leave this morning for a weekend of camping so stay tuned for an update next week on how it went.

As promised returned from our weekend camping outing after using new Atwood tankless. Have to say compared to original Girard, Atwood worked much better but any brand of tankless is going to require a new education of use. At least I did not take a cold shower. The only negative comment I have is the Atwood modulator control adjustment is located on the unit and requires removal of the door while the Girard is located inside the RV but this adjustment should not require continual tweaking.
For the simplest thing like the door latch the Atwood uses a metal thumb screw while the Girard has a plastic quarter turn latch that broke first trip out.
So now you have my testimonial I highly recommend the Atwood model.
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I'm an unhappy Girard owner. I was surprised when reading the Atwood water heater that you can add cold water to adjust the temperature. The Atwood temp. control is buried at the unit, but perhaps like our home water heaters, we do not need the control next to our shower. Atwood says nothing about a temp. limit and much about water flow.

15berkxl; please keep us posted and what is your name? Here is a snippet of the Atwood manual:

The modulating water valve will have a factory preset setting
which is designed and tested for an approximate 65F rise in
temperature for a hot water flow rate ranging from 1.00 GPM
to 1.25 GPM as measured at the water outlet (ie. faucet or
shower head). Pictures of this valve adjustment are on the
next page. The consumer is encouraged to set the modulating
valve to provide hot water in the 110F-115F range. The
consumer can then add cold water to achieve the desired
hot water temperature.
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Here is the link to the Atwood:

http://www.atwoodmobile.com/images/ODWH.pdf
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I'm an unhappy Girard owner. I was surprised when reading the Atwood water heater that you can add cold water to adjust the temperature. The Atwood temp. control is buried at the unit, but perhaps like our home water heaters, we do not need the control next to our shower. Atwood says nothing about a temp. limit and much about water flow.

15berkxl; please keep us posted and what is your name? Here is a snippet of the Atwood manual:

The modulating water valve will have a factory preset setting
which is designed and tested for an approximate 65F rise in
temperature for a hot water flow rate ranging from 1.00 GPM
to 1.25 GPM as measured at the water outlet (ie. faucet or
shower head). Pictures of this valve adjustment are on the
next page. The consumer is encouraged to set the modulating
valve to provide hot water in the 110F-115F range. The
consumer can then add cold water to achieve the desired
hot water temperature.

My name is Wayne. You are correct how often do you need to adjust the control it is meant to be a seasonal adjust to compensate for water temp not a cure all.
As for limits all units have to have a limit the Atwood only limit is resettable at 160 deg but so far that limit never came into play unlike the Girard that did so every use.
During use when temp started to get hotter than I wanted u could add colder water, yes it turned off the burner but quick adjusting the faucet turned the burner back on. Only once did the heater go into lockout I guess for not turning on but toggling the on off switch located in the bathroom restored operation.
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Good morning, I-RV; Joe here. My unit is a bit different as I'm in a Legacy instead of the Berkshire. My on/off switch that has to be toggled if it locks out is outside in the water heater cabinet and the gas modulator switch to set the temp differential is in the over sink cabinet......of the OTHER bathroom! Not sure why they did it that way, but neither is readily accessible when showering (at least not without complaints from the other passengers and/or the neighbors!). Mine has been in the shop since last Wednesday for them to get the water heater working so I don't get scalded again, and, yes, I mean literally scalded. Blistered and peeled in a circular area of my shoulder. Just glad the shower head wasn't hanging down when I turned it back on or it would have been MUCH more painful! They supposedly replaced the flow switch when I picked it up at the dealer after purchase but I have some doubts that they actually did. The new tech said he is replacing the flow switch and the ECO as a set and that doing it that way seems to work much better for him. He's also talking about replacing the gas modulator valve (the temp rise switch) with an updated version. On another unit, he actually pulled out the Girard and installed the new Atwood, but they have to send the door to the body shop for painting as it is larger than the Girard door. I've also seen one owner on here that had his replaced with a standard tank model. Watch for my updates - hope to get it back early this week....working!
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