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Old 01-04-2017, 05:44 PM   #1
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Manufacturer defect?

So, we bought our brand new 2016 Berkshire XL 40A from Lazydays in Tampa, FL. Drove it off after PDI to our favorite campground and settled in for a week of shakedown. Found a few minor problems and one MAJOR one. For some reason, our black tank kept filling up, but our grey tank never registered at all. Put up with this for two days before I decided to get to the bottom of the problem. Let the black tank fill up and then let it fill up a bit more. Took less than a day. Ran a little water in kitchen sink and to my great surprise, the water in the drains started to backup. Long story short, the kitchen sink is plumbed to the black tank. In 35 years of RVing in everything from popups to TT, to hybrids, to multiple fifth wheels and now a MH, we have NEVER seen a manufacturer do this. We returned to Lazydays to report our manufacturer error and to get it remedied. Lo and behold, according to Forest River, for this make and model, this setup is in fact exactly how its supposed to be. We are considering our options. We do not intend to drive this thing away from Lazydays in this condition. Had we known it was plumbed this way, we would not have accepted delivery.

My question to all of you - has anyone seen this sort of thing before? Needless to say, we are not happy with Forest River or with Lazydays.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:10 PM   #2
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It's not unheard of. I've seen several posts with a similar complaint on this forum. I think usually it's an outside kitchen sink to the black tank.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:16 PM   #3
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WoW!!! hard to believe.. What is plumbed to the grey tank?? only the bathroom stuff?. maybe someone with a XL 40A will chime in
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:17 PM   #4
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Your black tank has a huge capacity, and it filled up in 2 days from the toilet and kitchen sink? You have a real issue or do a lot of dishes! Some other FR products are plumbed this way also, code wise it must pass! Youroo! !
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Wife has a nasty habit of washing in the kitchen sink with too much water. ie. she leaves the water run and run and run. I can deal with that. What I can't, and won't deal with is sewage backing up into the kitchen sink from the black tank. This is just plain wrong and needs to be addressed by FR.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:20 PM   #6
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Did you or Lazydays talk to FR? would recommend you get a hold of Randy Houser at the Berkshire division and speak to him or Andy. Lazydays might just be giving you BS. Haven't heard of anyother Berkshire having this issue.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:25 PM   #7
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As far as "it must be code," the short answer is there is no binding building code for RVs like there is for brick and mortar. There are industry standards that most manufacturers adhere too and that they receive certifications from, RVIA being the most common in the US. Bottom line is RV manufacturers have alot of leeway in what they do. One assumes, incorrectly it seems, that common sense is part of the process.
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Here is Randy Houser # 574-522-1583 or Mitch Wirth 574-295-2117
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NO3Put you made my point for me. The FR rep I talked to today gave me a bunch of BS about this being standard for this model manufactured during this time period. I explained that in 35 years of RVing I have never seen this in any other model built by any other manufacturer. I am not giving up yet, but this is more work than I should have to go through considering what I paid for this thing.
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Pearley44, don't know who you talked to, but get a hold of Randy at FR. Email to him works best. Rhouser@forestriverinc.com he is hard to get a hold of on the phone at times but will usually reply to emails within a day or two. Does you gray tank fill up?
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