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Old 09-22-2015, 11:44 AM   #1
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I'm thinking of doing this in my Berkshire to connect the three water inputs. TV the picture he has the house water input and the black tank flush. In my case I would have the three hooked together with shut offs to send water where I want without moving the hoses.
I have not done this yet any thoughts or warnings?



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Old 09-22-2015, 12:54 PM   #2
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Phil, I personally would not connect the black water together with any others. Considering that many municipalities code wants backflow preventers on home irrigation systems that feed with the same water that you drink, I would not want to take a chance with any contamination per backflow or accumulation of contamination. Then, if there is a contamination, the cleanup might be a nightmare. Fecal matter contains some organisms that may be hard to kill and can potentially deadly.



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Old 09-22-2015, 02:35 PM   #3
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X2 Rich! Phil, I have one of those two out of one garden hose wyes, with one port going to the fresh water. I use a short length of reinforced vinyl hose and garden hose fittings. - Hank
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Don't do it.....

And if you do, don't ever invite me to your house for dinner!!!

I did the same "Y" thing as Hank, but only for the fresh water fill and the city connection.

I don't even like to have my city water input within eye shot of my sewer hose. I know, impossible to do, but illustrates my extreme paranoia over keeping the two separated as much as possible.

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I just put quick connects on all of the fixtures in the water cabinet. I put a male and a female quick unit on each inlet then used those plastic sanitary male screw caps on the open end to keep them clean when not hooked up to the hoses. It works slick.


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Seems like you'd still need a separate hose for the black tank flush no matter what in case you ever got any kind of back flow. Even if you used some sort of check valve there's always that rare chance.
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Seems like you'd still need a separate hose for the black tank flush no matter what in case you ever got any kind of back flow. Even if you used some sort of check valve there's always that rare chance.

Yep, always use a separate hose for black tank flush. I use a coil hose for mine so I don't get them mixed. I've got 90 degree brass elbows on my water inlets allowing the hoses to attach straight from below and use plastic caps to cover when not in use.



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I always read about this back flow from the black tank. Could someone please illuminate me on how this would be possible?

Do you guys believe some dark water can work it's way back into the hose?

Anyone ever seen the tiny holes in the black tank flush?
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Lemme see, back flow from black tank, full tank to flusher, pressure in tank, anti backflow device don't work... and da second backflow preventer in Phil's illustration don't work either. Yep, definitely a big no-no, ya got every probability of getting poop in yer fresh water


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Lemme see, back flow from black tank, full tank to flusher, pressure in tank, anti backflow device don't work... and da second backflow preventer in Phil's illustration don't work either. Yep, definitely a big no-no, ya got every probability of getting poop in yer fresh water


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How do you get pressure in the tank with it vented thru the roof?
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How do you get pressure in the tank with it vented thru the roof?
If they overfill the tank to the point of a gyser out of the vent and turn the water off I bet something would flow backwards. All this being said I would not tie everything together.
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Lemme see, back flow from black tank, full tank to flusher, pressure in tank, anti backflow device don't work... and da second backflow preventer in Phil's illustration don't work either. Yep, definitely a big no-no, ya got every probability of getting poop in yer fresh water


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I'm not going to do the mod but the black tank is vented and there is this big hole coming thru the floor called a toilet. If the black tank is installed correctly there is no way for backflow to occur (my opinion). This is a typical rv cleanout I believe:
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Lemme see, back flow from black tank, Please explain??

full tank to flusher, Hydrostatic pressure does not work sideways.

pressure in tank, again please explain how pressure gets in a vented tank??

anti backflow device don't work...how would it flow back?

and da second backflow preventer in Phil's illustration don't work either. It's a valve, not a flowback preventer, close it, it works.



Yep, definitely a big no-no, ya got every probability of getting poop in yer fresh water.


I disagree, I have a similar set up made of short sections of hose with valves in strategic places. Mine WORKS!! I have no poop in my fresh water.
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I don't have a dog in this fight mostly because it's just not good poker. The fear is a vacuum in the fresh system and the path of least resistance being a connection to the grey or black water. I cannot see any plumber person approve of any connection between fresh and waste water....then how do you flush? I dunno. Just doesn't look good to permanently tie fresh to sewer.
It wouldn't take much black to contaminate the fresh....and you wouldn't know it till "you" started filling the black.


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I do know that when I turn off water to my black flush, it has pressure in the hose and pushes water back out. May not be Blackwater but it is water.
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I do know that when I turn off water to my black flush, it has pressure in the hose and pushes water back out. May not be Blackwater but it is water.
Yes, it's residual water from the input side of your backflow preventer that is in the tubing leading to the shut off plunger in the preventer. It's fresh water. All the water on the other side of the plunger has drained into the black tank. The preventer is mounted probably 3 to 5 feet above floor level and that distance will determine how much fresh water drains back out of the pressurized side tubing. It's just gravity flow and even without the preventer and the way the cleanout is routed I doubt there could be any water from the black tank getting back to the external input port. I'm outa here.
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Just my opinion, but knowing that there are organisms in the black tank that can kill you (literally), I personally will take the extra minute to connect my black tank flush separately. I see no reason that you can't connect the two fresh water intakes together, but since I don't dry camp I usually fill my fresh water tank halfway at the beginning of the season (after cleaning) and leave that supply in there.



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Yes, it's residual water from the input side of your backflow preventer that is in the tubing leading to the shut off plunger in the preventer. It's fresh water. All the water on the other side of the plunger has drained into the black tank. The preventer is mounted probably 3 to 5 feet above floor level and that distance will determine how much fresh water drains back out of the pressurized side tubing. It's just gravity flow and even without the preventer and the way the cleanout is routed I doubt there could be any water from the black tank getting back to the external input port. I'm outa here.
Probably. I still don't want that water that has been close to my BT feeding back into my fresh water hose.

The instructions for the flusher does say to disconnect water hose and let the pressure push the water back out of it.
It also says to not use a potable hose on the BT flush.
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Old 09-23-2015, 09:16 AM   #19
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Hi Phil,

I connected the two fresh water feeds together but not the black. I have been thinking of getting a pocket hose for the black flush. To follow is a picture. Poor as I still do not have my coach back to take a better one.
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Silver I like that. I don't really know if I would hook the three together. I was initially disgusted by it in my friends Newmar but I love the ease of use. I don't trust a backflow that much when that's about the only thing keeping me from drinking Poo water. I might work up a system to fill without having to change the hose but the BT and fresh water will remain separate. I mostly wanted your opinion and I thank you for that.



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