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Old 08-19-2015, 05:38 PM   #91
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Do you think they were only produced for for FR? They are in every unit out there. You want to go to multi million dollar units maybe not. That is not what I bought. Buy a new home and then talk!
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:52 PM   #92
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Do you think they were only produced for for FR? They are in every unit out there. You want to go to multi million dollar units maybe not. That is not what I bought. Buy a new home and then talk!
If you are speaking to me, I can only say Slow Down Cowboy.

I admit I was going to place a caveat at the end of my posts that said this was not only a FR issue,but failed to do so.

"Buy a new home and then talk!" We have brought 4 new homes and if the furniture we brought for each one them were crap, we went to the furniture manufacturers and not the home builder.
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:56 PM   #93
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Well why not just keep the post going. Sorry any comments posted were not up to your expectations. Obviously the main point of your post was to make sure everyone knew how disappointed you are with FR so go ahead and continue with the I'm mad a FR post and I will unsubscribe. When you get around to asking questions about how to get things fixed and how to best deal with broken parts on a MH let me know. Everyone here has had to deal with something. It's expected on just about any RV you buy. It's the nature of the beast so to speak. You want it fixed it takes some work.
I'm not going to apologize for the rant. I seriously doubt you have had anymore issues than most other owners.
Phil, I have respected and appreciated the advice and encouragement that you and some of the other senior guys have imparted since I have been on this forum. Yes I am very disappointed with the product that I have and yes I have had more than normal issues, this is according to Mike Bukoswki himself, not by me. But my main intent was not to just vent, I am trying to figure out how to deal with the frustrations of a once in a lifetime opportunity after spending good money to purchase, equip and operate something that keeps breaking. Do you know of anyone who has had the pulley bracket ripped right out of the wall? Or the engine not start after stopping at a rest area, maybe the drain hose being melted around the rear corner of the heater and flooding the entire area behind the fireplace? Is your heater itself secured to its mounts or is it flopping around and only held in by the outside panel? How about misdrilled 4 inch hole saw cuts that were never seal up much less repaired? Like I said, I have more down time than up time (not including storage) and that's just not right...can you boast that stat?
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:18 PM   #94
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I think it's time for the admins to close this thread. What started out as a complaint thread has turned into personal attacks.


Can't we just all get along?
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:26 PM   #95
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Where are the attacks? I see discussions which are good different points of view keep it going.
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Old 08-19-2015, 07:20 PM   #96
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Quality and Workmanship is CR@P!

I can honestly tell you from an inside source that problems began in 2008 when the economy took a #2. RV industry took a huge dump into their black tank. In doing so wages for new hires in particular were a lot less than existing workforce in order to stay competitive. Then RV industry started to recover and other companies started to acquire a large percentage of those semi skilled employees leaving an untrained workforce including some managers which may not understand the job or secrets in doing it successfully. With FR residing in a huge industry area there are a lot of manufacturers make it worse for the existing companies losing employees. The other issues is the supplier base the RV industry is forced to use some are producing not well engineered products and some are producing crap. Companies are gobbling up other smaller and successful suppliers and using the profits to make their wallets thinker. Some are not using the profits to build better products.
You can disagree with all of this but listen to all of those on these forums and the nature of the complaints.
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Old 08-19-2015, 07:24 PM   #97
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Phil, I have respected and appreciated the advice and encouragement that you and some of the other senior guys have imparted since I have been on this forum. Yes I am very disappointed with the product that I have and yes I have had more than normal issues, this is according to Mike Bukoswki himself, not by me. But my main intent was not to just vent, I am trying to figure out how to deal with the frustrations of a once in a lifetime opportunity after spending good money to purchase, equip and operate something that keeps breaking. Do you know of anyone who has had the pulley bracket ripped right out of the wall? Or the engine not start after stopping at a rest area, maybe the drain hose being melted around the rear corner of the heater and flooding the entire area behind the fireplace? Is your heater itself secured to its mounts or is it flopping around and only held in by the outside panel? How about misdrilled 4 inch hole saw cuts that were never seal up much less repaired? Like I said, I have more down time than up time (not including storage) and that's just not right...can you boast that stat?

You are kidding right. I have had and worked through many many issues and have never ever been disappointed by FR response. I have asked for and been given great advice to fix my own when I could. So I'm understanding issues but choose to remain positive and work at getting things fixed. We belong to several rally groups and I promise you issue with repair are not limited to FR.
I will help anyone with advice and all the help I can to get the repairs done but I'm sorry to say I am not interested in just hearing complaints. I said I was unsubscribing and its my fault I'm still here.
I will do what I can as everyone in this forum will to help anyone. No hard feelings I hope but for crying out loud lets get back to helpful positive posts.
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Phil, here, here, X2


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Old 08-20-2015, 07:14 AM   #100
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How many dealerships do you think would take the time or expense to send a tech to the factory for training? And which brand would they choose to have the tech trained on? Also, you think that the dealer takes forever to repair a coach? Wait until you bring in your unit and the dealer says that the tech trained on your brand has x number or walk throughs, PDI's and other coaches of your brand ahead of you waiting for work. It would take a lot longer to get work done on your unit. JMHO
Most dealerships would no be able to get by with 1 tech !!!
Do you not think that training a tech is part of owning a dealership ???
Do you want some one working on your RV,,, that knows less that you do ??? Properly training workers is part of owning a business !!!
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