Question to dealer about weight issue on 2013's

[Phil57]

Originally Posted by lefaivre

Thank you ... my MH is now put away for the winter and the snow is starting to fly. Will not be taking it out until spring.

My unit has all of the upgrades including tile floor and wash/dryer.

Will follow the instructions above.

If it turns out that there is a problem ... is FR footing the bill to correct the problem?

If so ... what is the process

The RB is a almost 100% in need of upgrades. The BH is hit and miss. I have seen some fully loaded that still have lots of room on the SA. Others are surprised to see they are over weight. It is best to load your Moho with full fuels. LP included. 1/3 or so water empty B&G. You should have those that travel with you in the seats they are usually in.
Get your weight and if you are at weight or over contact Randy. He will want your Vin and a copy of your scale sheet. This is not a issue with every Berkshire. It is mostly with the 2010-2013 RB and some BH. This also should be done soon. I would think at some point FR will say enough. Yes it was there mistake but dragging this on and on for years is most likely getting old. I just don't think that it's fair to come to FR after driving a Moho for 5 years and decide it's no longer safe. I don't speak for them this is my opinion so take it for what it's worth. No one at FR has said they would stop doing the upgrade. To me it's like eating a meal at a restaurant and as you are about done telling the waitperson the food was bad and you want a new plate.
This weight issue should be taken care of soon.
To answer your question yes FR has been covering the upgrade.

[Phil57]

Originally Posted by I-RV

May I add that you just don't have to be over-weight to have a problem. After all the motorhome should carry passengers, belongings and some cargo. I advise empty weight weighing be done with 1/2 tank of fresh water and two passengers. This has be okayed by Randy and is only realistic.



I believe that any 40 ft.Berkshire with tile floors and a 10,410 lb front axle, should get the upgrade, The front axle is the steer axle and FR is most concerned about it, as you should.

Hank

Hank I disagree on this. I have seen lots of weights well below the 10400 lb rating with full loads. As you sad get it weighed and get it fixed but don't assume you have a problem because others have.

[lefaivre]

I am supprised that an engineering error that results in a vehicle being illegal (overweight)

[lefaivre]

Why this would not be considered a recall item.

[accumack]

Originally Posted by lefaivre

Why this would not be considered a recall item.

This has already been covered! No one has had a blow out or any other safety problem other than being overweight.The frame and axle are actually rated for more weight they install heavier airbags on the front and larger tires with a high load rating. The ride does get better but the Berk has far fewer over weight problems than the bumper pull or 5th wheels on this site that blow tires or develop frame cracks.
just my $.02 worth

[Paulie Boy]

Originally Posted by accumack

This has already been covered! No one has had a blow out or any other safety problem other than being overweight.The frame and axle are actually rated for more weight they install heavier airbags on the front and larger tires with a high load rating. The ride does get better but the Berk has far fewer over weight problems than the bumper pull or 5th wheels on this site that blow tires or develop frame cracks.

just my $.02 worth

In addition to what you said Mack, those folks that comment and do not fill in their signature information completely so we have some idea who were talking to; have no idea what level of support we get from the Diesel Division team in Elkhart.



Paul
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[Phil57]

There is a good article in the January 2016 Motorhome magazine about weighing you Moho.

[Subsailor]

Your fingernails look good there Phil

[Phil57]

Weekly manicures.

[5456Mich]

Originally Posted by Phil57

Weekly manicures.

Ahhh, to live the life of a retiree !!

[lefaivre]

Paul ... not sure if you are referring to me. How can we update our signature.

[Subsailor]

Originally Posted by lefaivre

Paul ... not sure if you are referring to me. How can we update our signature.

Hello lefaivre, if you want to update your signature or anything else just go up to the "User CP" on the upper left and there is a pull down to update all of your info.

[lefaivre]

That option is not available on my phone .... will need to do it from a desktop

[mikeborny]

Just weighed my coach with full fuel and 2/3 propane and it is at 10520 front and 17080 rear. I have a 2014 that has the 12,000 front axle. I am a little shocked that my specs show a 17,500 limit on rear axle. 1900 lbs for cargo and gear and water is not great!


Mike & Amy + 3 and the dogs!
2014 berkshire 390bh-40

[Campin Cajun]

Mike you are really good on the front axle. That rear axle weight is mysteriously the same as mine is. Spooky.

[Airdale]

"The FMVSS have requirements for the manufacturer to use proper tires and rims for the gross axle weight rating (GAWR) and the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR). The manufacturer may determine the GVWR by adding cargo capacity (if any) to the curb weight of the vehicle as manufactured. The wise consumer, before purchase, will determine if the vehicle has sufficient cargo capacity to carry the weight of water, additional equipment (such as televisions, and microwave ovens), and luggage. The manufacturer’s certification label must show the GVWR. The GVWR must not be exceeded by overloading the vehicle. There is little the government can do to assist a consumer who has purchased a vehicle that has insufficient cargo capacity for its intended use."


NHTSA said that.

[accumack]

Originally Posted by mikeborny

Just weighed my coach with full fuel and 2/3 propane and it is at 10520 front and 17080 rear. I have a 2014 that has the 12,000 front axle. I am a little shocked that my specs show a 17,500 limit on rear axle. 1900 lbs for cargo and gear and water is not great!


Mike & Amy + 3 and the dogs!
2014 berkshire 390bh-40

The limiting factor on the rear axle is the Allison 2500 transmission. The axle I believe is the same as the 3000.

[ccupton]

Just weighed my coach. 2016 38a. Front 10,120. Rear 17,600. Called FR and was told not a problem. 1/2 tank water, 3/4 fuel, empty black and grey.


Chris & Carol
2016 Berkshire 38A
2014 Honda CRV

[mikeborny]

I think i have had my tires at a little too high pressure for my weights. At 10,500 front and 17,500 rear what are most of you keeping your tire pressure at. I will assume loaded I would be adding another 800-1000 lbs.


Mike & Amy + 3 and the dogs!
2014 berkshire 390bh-40

[Phil57]

Originally Posted by mikeborny

I think i have had my tires at a little too high pressure for my weights. At 10,500 front and 17,500 rear what are most of you keeping your tire pressure at. I will assume loaded I would be adding another 800-1000 lbs.


Mike & Amy + 3 and the dogs!
2014 berkshire 390bh-40

Need more info. What size tires do you have. Do you have a 4 point weight. You really need to have a 4 point weight to see what corner is heavy. You also need a loaded weight without guessing.