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Old 11-16-2015, 07:24 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by mud yapster View Post
Chevy,Ford,Toyota and others to follow suite if they haven't already they will soon.
Ford follows the J Standard. It is referenced in the Towing Guide.

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Old 11-16-2015, 09:44 AM   #12
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Thanks' Phil for the weight definitions for all of us. Might get us all on the same page. I'd like to add that the CCC has been updated to OCCC, for which the FMCA explanation is:

Occupant and cargo carrying capacity (OCCC).

The CCC was modified in 2008 by NHTSA. CCC still applies to towable RVs, but motorized vehicles now use OCCC. The OCCC states the maximum allowable weight of all occupants (including the driver) plus the weight of all food, tools, full fresh-water tanks, full propane tanks, and all personal belongings. The maximum allowable weight of passengers is based on the number of seat belt positions in the motorhome. The regulation also states that the tongue weight of a towed trailer counts as cargo. The OCCC is calculated by taking the GVWR and subtracting the UVW and propane weight. This weight will be higher than when calculating the CCC.

NHTSA regulations also required dealers to state on an amended or additional label the total amount (in pounds and kilograms) by which dealer-installed options or changes to the RV decreased the OCCC. The amount is limited to the total weight of all additions or changes made by the dealer prior to the first sale that are “the less of 1.5 percent of the GVWR or 100 pounds.

I am not sure if FR's yellow sticker is complying to this!

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Old 11-16-2015, 10:06 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by ependydad View Post
GCWR - "gross *combined* weight rating" is the vehicle + anything towed.

GVWR - "gross *vehicle* weight rating" as it pertains to to the vehicle doing the towing (aka the motorhome) is the motorhome itself plus tongue weight (ie, what is being pushed down on the chassis of the towing vehicle)
Tongue weight of a toad would be minimal even if it was a dolly tongue. We dollied our 75 Buick Apollo 4 dr sedan and I could lift the dolly tongue with the car on it which is how I hooked it up after loading it on the dolly and disconnecting it to use the truck before leaving for NC.

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