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Old 08-11-2016, 12:33 PM   #21
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Site team reminder: These type threads (especially those pertaining to fur family) have historically shown to elicit heated and emotional responses. Please follow the posting guidelines and play nice. This thread is not asking a question and is a FYI thing, that no member here can change the campground policy on.

This thread (pardon the pun) is going to need to be kept on a short leash.
Thanks for the reminder, I was about to jump in on a certain message. But I won't!
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:37 PM   #22
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I don't know why that pissed you off that much. Its an advertised policy in every PA state park that has pet friendly campsites. Its the reason they tend to keep them all in a specific loop or grouped together. You can walk your dog on the roads that service the pet sections but not on the roads in the non pet sections. Anywhere else in the entire park including trails is open territory, except beaches. Try that in a National Park. I don't know of any that will not allow your pet into areas like amphitheaters and such in the campground. Some have built pet trails from the pet sections to amphitheaters and activity centers.

The thing that sets me off are the people who knowingly reserve a pet site located in a pet loop and don't own a pet. People selfishly do that to get one of the limited full hookup or electric sites that are located in the pet friendly sections when the prime sites are booked in the non pet sections. That effectively denies some pet owner of a pet friendly site. The pet friendly sites are a small percentage of the non pet sites, so non pet people will hog them up and a pet owner can not get a site. At the same time there are empty sites in the non pet section the non pet person could of taken.

The people without dogs reserve them knowing they will be surrounded by dogs, then have a problem with a dog barking and go complain to the rangers or manager. I volunteer at a PA park and have witnessed it often. My suggestion was if you reserve a pet friendly site you should be required to have a pet. .


They have the right to do so...

Just like a guy in a tent can reserve a pull though full service site..
leaving only a non serviced site for me..

What's the difference?


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Old 08-11-2016, 12:49 PM   #23
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I don't know why that pissed you off that much. Its an advertised policy in every PA state park that has pet friendly campsites. Its the reason they tend to keep them all in a specific loop or grouped together. You can walk your dog on the roads that service the pet sections but not on the roads in the non pet sections. Anywhere else in the entire park including trails is open territory, except beaches. Try that in a National Park. I don't know of any that will not allow your pet into areas like amphitheaters and such in the campground. Some have built pet trails from the pet sections to amphitheaters and activity centers.

The thing that sets me off are the people who knowingly reserve a pet site located in a pet loop and don't own a pet. People selfishly do that to get one of the limited full hookup or electric sites that are located in the pet friendly sections when the prime sites are booked in the non pet sections. That effectively denies some pet owner of a pet friendly site. The pet friendly sites are a small percentage of the non pet sites, so non pet people will hog them up and a pet owner can not get a site. At the same time there are empty sites in the non pet section the non pet person could of taken.

The people without dogs reserve them knowing they will be surrounded by dogs, then have a problem with a dog barking and go complain to the rangers or manager. I volunteer at a PA park and have witnessed it often. My suggestion was if you reserve a pet friendly site you should be required to have a pet. The park superintendent agrees but unfortunately policy gets set in Harrisburg.

How long have you been camping in PA parks? You would have really been pissed back before 2008/2009 as no pets were allowed in any PA state park campground before then. I have not kept up with it but as of a couple years ago there were still some that did not allow pets, one being one of the most popular in the entire state, Ohiopyle. I think they opened some sites to pets around 2012 or so. There may still be a few that do not allow pets.

That's funny ! I had to prove my dog was with me in a New York State park a month ago.



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Wonder if they had the same rule applied for children. Children are welcome at our family campground but must be kept quiet and on your site at all times. We have a child play area down the road but your child must be driven to this site.
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Wonder if they had the same rule applied for children. Children are welcome at our family campground but must be kept quiet and on your site at all times. We have a child play area down the road but your child must be driven to this site.
Keep my kids quiet? I'd have to get rid of the camper if that was a rule.
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They have the right to do so...

Just like a guy in a tent can reserve a pull though full service site..
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Not much of a difference I guess, but it sort of sucks when someone does that and then complains about a barking dog when they knew up front they reserved a site in a pet friendly section. That's called a busy body.

When the tent camper takes a full service site and you are without one do you have a conniption and make a scene? Maybe go and bitch at the host or ranger? I doubt you do. Maybe that's the difference.

At some of our State Parks pet owners are the minority.

Take Prince Gallitzen for instance...it has 406 campsites.
138 are pet friendly, 268 are not. That's 33% pet friendly.

Out of those 138 pet friendly sites, 3 are host sites which leaves 135 available.

Of those 135 pet friendly sites 48 have electric only which is 35%. Only 8 of those are 50 amp, the others are 30 amp.

Out of the 269 non pet sites, 4 are host sites which leave 264 available.
Of those 264 non pet sites 148 are electric with 50 amp service and 22 of those are full hook up. No sites are 30 amp. and only 116 are undeveloped.

Does that seem a little lopsided? You have to take into account that on a yearly basis, and proven by real numbers reported by the DCNR who operate the parks, pet friendly sites get double the occupancy rates as non pet friendly sites. Also in the state parks when they made the pet friendly sites available staring in the late 00's, entire loops that had seen little use for years at certain parks suddenly became the most popular areas when pets were allowed.
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Probably about to piss off some dog owners here, but...........

I think it's a great policy! Even though we are all dog lovers my family does not have a dog. We just don't have the time for it. We are lucky to have a family member with a great dog and we take it whenever she goes. My problem with dog people is they think that they can just walk their dogs anywhere. My kids are constantly rolling around, sitting down, laying on, etc. the ground in my yard/campsite. People often don't pick up the poop and even if they do I don't care to have my kids exposed to dog pee or a spot where some dog just took a dump. When we have our surrogate dog we walk it in OUR yard or campsite or we go to the woods or a dog park.

Maybe I'm a little uptight about it but if I pay for a campsite I shouldn't have to deal with someone bringing their dog to poop in it. Funny thing is I had an argument with a guy about it one time and he said that since he picked up the poop I should just shut up. I told him that I was going to piss and s**t on his pillow but not to worry because I would pick it up. He locked his camper every time he was going more than 10 feet away that whole weekend.

but I generally find dogs much better neighbors than many children. For that reason alone, I rarely move the 5er when school is not in session.
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