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Old 07-23-2016, 05:34 AM   #51
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Check the EZ Pass website for your state. A lot of toll boths automatically detetect if you have extra axles.
I did and it didn't say much. I know when I pull up to the cash lane they hit a few buttons before I can proceed
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Old 07-23-2016, 07:50 AM   #52
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I'm thinking you mean the Millard E Tydings bridge on I-95??

They only charge you going north, so in THEORY, you were paying for 2 trips across with a TV and 5ver, so really $12 to cross the bridge once.

If you did mean the Hatem bridge (Rte 40), it also only charges going north, so again, only $12 to cross "each way."

You need to take these roads south, and figure out how to NOT take them north!

Take Rte 1/222 across the Conowingo Dam? Then Rte 273 into Newark.
Cross the Conowingo Dam with RV in tow? Watch out that first 150' is super tight especially northbound. We do this a lot without TT then make the right at the end of dam. Cut through Port Deposit and back on Rt 40. I will haul TT thru a lot of places without worry, but I doubt it would be across this dam. $24 is a lot cheaper than my deductible.
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Old 07-23-2016, 07:50 AM   #53
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EZ-PASS is "supposed" to detect if you have a trailer or not. I have a special IE oversized vehicle pass in my dually. Basically I get charged more anytime I use the pike, and I use it quite a bit. My findings are that the trailer isn't detected, and I just pay my normal, higher than a passenger car rate. Mine is on auto replenishment, I don't even worry about what they hit me for.

It is absolutely foolish to use the turnpike without one, as you get a discount on toll rates with it. As posted earlier the tolls go up 6% again January 1 2017. But they have already said that's not the end of the rate hikes and they will continue to rise.
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Old 07-23-2016, 08:09 AM   #54
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Cross the Conowingo Dam with RV in tow? Watch out that first 150' is super tight especially northbound. We do this a lot without TT then make the right at the end of dam. Cut through Port Deposit and back on Rt 40. I will haul TT thru a lot of places without worry, but I doubt it would be across this dam. $24 is a lot cheaper than my deductible.
Do you know the height of the railroad underpass just before town? We are 13'6" maybe just stay on Rt.1 to 273 for us heading back to Newark area
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Great topic as it relates to this forum. In reviewing the posts, I noticed that there is a general understanding that the tolls are for the use and maintenance of that road. Well, you must understand that exclusive of bridges and tunnels, toll roads are in their initial intent, were to pay the constuction bonds off, a logical concept. What has happened is the gov't entity created to administer the beast, NEVER goes away. The concept of the Eisenhower Interstate System, was to design, construct a countrywide road system to facilitate commerce and recreational travel. The reason why tolls exist on that network is because states like PA, NY, NJ, etc., built for the most part, before or during the 50's, their highway systems, as part of that overall design plan. Most toll roads, believe it or not, with the included legislative intent, to disolve the entity when the bonds were retired. However, as an example, lets look at the corruption in NY state for an example. The NYS Thruway was scheduled to become a "freeway" upon turning it over to the Federal Interstate Highway system in the early 90's, upon retirement of the construction bonds. But, by that time a massive "authority" was created. One can see signs of it as you drive by the four story NYS Thruway Authority building on I90 near Albany, those bureaucrats were not going to let that happen. So, when one of the Governors running at the time was using it on the stump, it woke up all the corrupt politicians, and they in turn, annexed the Erie canal under their authority, so as to convolute their authority to NEVER be allowed to disolve. I mean think of it, how could the generous people of the state of NY ever allow the historic erie canal to languish in possible disrepair. Seems it did fine up until they took it over. Now, as you drive near Syracuse, they built an exit, buildings all to display remnants of the old locks. Must have had xtra tolls (tax). Heres the thing, unless you understand the problem, we collectively can not address it. So, please pay attention, or you will be taxed to the point where you can't afford to use your RV's on the toll roads, that ironically in NY's case, should have become part of the Fed HY system decades ago and a free way, paid for by fuel taxes levied.
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NOT trying to be confrontational, but I disagree with this statement. I lived through most of the construction of it:

The concept of the Eisenhower Interstate System, was to design, construct a countrywide road system to facilitate commerce and recreational travel.

The concept was not just to facilitate commerce or recreational travel at all. In fact, at the time of conception the "Big Truck" industry was practically non-existent as it exists today. The main purpose of this, and the one that got it funded, was to foment a viable method for big city folks to escape in the event of a nuclear attack............ That's what Ike's guys had in mind. The other stuff is just gravy.

Had they known what Big Trucks would end up being, they'd have made a separate system for trucks and one for cars. Heck, there were not even many pickup trucks outside of farms at that time. Now, 80,000 lb trucks are tearing up way more than they pay in taxes to repair, and regardless, are causing what will forever be a litany of orange barrels........because road construction as it exists today cannot possibly keep up with either deterioration or growth issues.

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NOT trying to be confrontational, but I disagree with this statement. I lived through most of the construction of it:

The concept of the Eisenhower Interstate System, was to design, construct a countrywide road system to facilitate commerce and recreational travel.

The concept was not just to facilitate commerce or recreational travel at all. In fact, at the time of conception the "Big Truck" industry was practically non-existent as it exists today. The main purpose of this, and the one that got it funded, was to foment a viable method for big city folks to escape in the event of a nuclear attack............ That's what Ike's guys had in mind. The other stuff is just gravy.

Had they known what Big Trucks would end up being, they'd have made a separate system for trucks and one for cars. Heck, there were not even many pickup trucks outside of farms at that time. Now, 80,000 lb trucks are tearing up way more than they pay in taxes to repair, and regardless, are causing what will forever be a litany of orange barrels........because road construction as it exists today cannot possibly keep up with either deterioration or growth issues.

That's my nine cents.
It was built under the national "defense" umbrella. The concept being to get people out of cities and to get military personnel and hardware anywhere in the country efficiently. It was based on the German Autobahn concept. What is interesting is that in Germany during WW II most military equipment was moved by rail rather than the Autobahn.

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I did and it didn't say much. I know when I pull up to the cash lane they hit a few buttons before I can proceed
Yeah, you are correct. The NY EZ Pass website says very little. The PA website has it under the FAQ section. So does Delaware.
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I have a friend that has the EZ pass and he says it doesn`t charge you for the trailer , just the truck in New York . Not sure if other states do the same. That would add the savings up in a hurry.
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Old 07-23-2016, 10:27 AM   #60
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Do you know the height of the railroad underpass just before town? We are 13'6" maybe just stay on Rt.1 to 273 for us heading back to Newark area
Not off hand, I have a friend in Port Deposit. I will find out. Cars park on streets a lot especially Sundays. It can be very tight thru PD.
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