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Old 10-08-2010, 08:40 AM   #31
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Just because a truck is a 3/4 ton doesn't mean it has high tow ratings. Look at Dodges POS megacabs. 2500 model Hemi with 3:73 gears is rated to tow 8350 lbs but the truck has a gvwr of 8800 and a payload of 2315 and the gcwr is 15,000lbs if it has 4:10's the max trailer is 10250 and GCWR is 17,000. The diesels are rated at 12,450 max trailer and 20,000 GCWR however payload is only 1580 due to the weight of the power train. And to be quite honest 8000lbs is a stretch for the POS we have stability wise. I would bet any decent 1/2 is a far better TV than this and my thoughts were backed up by the service manager here as he said Dodge doesn't rate them very high for a reason.

Just in case anyone doubts the specs I quoted here.

http://www.dodge.com/bodybuilder/200...r/mlup2500.pdf

and the 2010's are rated for less except they upped the diesel ratings abit.
http://www.dodge.com/bodybuilder/201...ammlup2500.pdf

I think the important thing is the 20% rule of staying 20% below max ratings or as close to that as possible. Then there should be no issues regardless of if it is a 1/2 or 3/4 ton. If memory serves me someone posted some links about that a few months ago.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:44 AM   #32
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I am not familiar with Dodge at all so I am not sure which model a POS is....

I think one of the biggest things that gets overlooked is the GVWR of the TOW vehicle.
In most 1/2 ton trucks, the GVWR will be met and in many cases exceeded before the max trailer weight is reached.
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:00 AM   #33
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I think one of the biggest things that gets overlooked is the GVWR of the TOW vehicle.
In most 1/2 ton trucks, the GVWR will be met and in many cases exceeded before the max trailer weight is reached.
Agreed. With my F150, I have an empty weight of ~5800 lbs. and a GVWR of 7200 lbs.....that is only a 1400 lb. payload. Add me the missus and the dog, that is close to 400 lbs. right there. Then add an "adjusted" tongue weight of my trailer, and that is another 560 lbs. So I now have about 400 lbs. to go. Add a couple of bikes, my canoe, a generator, and other misc. camping supplies in the back of the truck, I am getting close to my GVWR, even though my truck is rated to tow ~3700 lbs. more weight before I reach my maximum tow rating (9300 lbs.).

I might have to get a smaller dog.
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:43 PM   #34
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Agreed. With my F150, I have an empty weight of ~5800 lbs. and a GVWR of 7200 lbs.....that is only a 1400 lb. payload. Add me the missus and the dog, that is close to 400 lbs. right there. Then add an "adjusted" tongue weight of my trailer, and that is another 560 lbs. So I now have about 400 lbs. to go. Add a couple of bikes, my canoe, a generator, and other misc. camping supplies in the back of the truck, I am getting close to my GVWR, even though my truck is rated to tow ~3700 lbs. more weight before I reach my maximum tow rating (9300 lbs.).

I might have to get a smaller dog.

Hence what I said about the Dodge Megacab diesel 1580lb payload in a 3/4 ton (try to work that payload number into a 12k trailers tongue weight with 35 gallons of fuel, passengers and some payload) it's just an overgrown 1/2 ton payload wise regardless of the 12k trailer and 20k GCWR. There are alot of 1/2 tons with higher ratings payload wise.
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:44 PM   #35
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I am not familiar with Dodge at all so I am not sure which model a POS is....

I think one of the biggest things that gets overlooked is the GVWR of the TOW vehicle.
In most 1/2 ton trucks, the GVWR will be met and in many cases exceeded before the max trailer weight is reached.
Sorry, it's the model they built that has on average something break every 3 weeks since new. And I addressed that in my post that the Dodge is rated lower payload wise than alot of 1/2 tons.
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I am not familiar with Dodge at all so I am not sure which model a POS is....

I think one of the biggest things that gets overlooked is the GVWR of the TOW vehicle.
In most 1/2 ton trucks, the GVWR will be met and in many cases exceeded before the max trailer weight is reached.
More than a fair amount of 3/4 tons have the same problem. I tow a 9400 pound 5th wheel with a 9200 pound GVW GMC2500HD.

The Duramax gets my max tow-able up to a 15,400 pound 5'er camper but when you add the weight of the diesel and the Allison trans to the base 2500HD weight my 1400 pound pin weight puts me at max GVW for the truck.
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I am not quite sure what weight I have to spare from my 8800 GVW minus the weight of the truck, but considering my rear GAWR is over 6000 pounds, I don't think the 1400 lb hitch weight is an issue.
What I do know is that it hardly sets the rear down, and the truck actually rides far better with the trailer on it.
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I am not quite sure what weight I have to spare from my 8800 GVW minus the weight of the truck, but considering my rear GAWR is over 6000 pounds, I don't think the 1400 lb hitch weight is an issue.
What I do know is that it hardly sets the rear down, and the truck actually rides far better with the trailer on it.
I am no where near max rear axle weight.
My issue is I am at my max FRAME weight (GVW).
I don't want to suddenly find myself in two halves one day!!
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"I am no where near max rear axle weight.
My issue is I am at my max FRAME weight (GVW).
I don't want to suddenly find myself in two halves one day!!"
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Ohhhhh, I don't think you have to worry about that.
What worries me is the overloaded trucks I see on the road with their butts dragging and the front end pointing up in the air. I can't imagine what it must be like driving like that.
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:33 AM   #40
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GVR,GVWR,tougue weight,payload, good grief you need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what you can tow! I've been camping for 10yrs and still dont have a clue about all the numbers. and of course dealers are useless, "Sure you can pull that 10,000lb 5th wheel with that S-10 with no problem" they just want the sale.. Of course I just joking about the s-10 My GVR is 7200,GVWR is 7200. Truck weighs 5520lbs(including me and full tank gas,I weigh 190) My 5th wheel weighs about 8800 loaded with camping gear.. so am I overweight? Got the feeling that I am.
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