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Old 09-21-2019, 05:28 PM   #1
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1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton towing

Not here to start a debate, just came across this video (these guys put together some awesome videos) and thought it was interesting.



To me they are fair with their observations and give some good points.
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Old 09-21-2019, 08:38 PM   #2
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This aughta be good
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Old 09-22-2019, 12:01 AM   #3
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The 3/4 ton will do a better job towing. Thread done.....
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Old 09-22-2019, 01:38 AM   #4
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I have been towing our 2018 Apex 300BHS on 3 trips since we got her, roughly driven 2000 miles between the trips. Our TV was a 2012 Escalade ESV. Overall, the suv got the job done but will struggle at times, the motor is the 6.2L, powerfull motor but 1/2 ton is half ton. We were pretty much maxed out. I just upgraded to a 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins crew cab with 6.5' bed. I chose diesel due to the power you get when going uphill. Honestly just tired of hearing the gas engine rev so high and the sound is not good either. I knew if I kept towing with the Esky, there will be issues with the truck so we decided it was time to upgrade. With this done now I am finding I will be very limited to what 5ver I can tow with a 3/4 ton, just didn't want to deal with a 1 ton, but that is another issue.
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Old 09-22-2019, 01:40 PM   #5
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There is a place for every class of truck. On the light side of things, the 1/2 tons are fine. I just don't see any 1/2 ton as being cost effective and worthy of consideration.

In most cases, I can buy a gasser 3/4 ton which has significantly more capability than any 1/2 ton for the same or even less money to drive the 3/4 ton off the lot. This is becoming especially true with the new 2020 GM line.

one can get a 2020 6.6L L8T gasser 3/4 ton for less cost than a 6.2L L86 1/2 ton. The 6.2 calls for premium fuel, and is probably a wise since it is 11.5:1 compression ratio. The 6.6L has 10.8:1 ratio and can meet full power well with regular fuel. The 6.2 has a slight edge in HP, but the 6.6 shames the 6.2 in torque. And both payload and towing capacity, the 6.6 3/4 ton smokes even the max tow versions of the 1/2 ton.

I have seen new 2020 6.6L Crew Cab 2500's going for $40K plus tax to drive off the lot. And the 6.6 is the standard motor across the line. The 6.2 can only be had in the top end packages of the 1/2 ton line. One is going to shell out a lot more money to get the 6.2 1/2 ton. And when one factors in using premium fuel in the 6.2 compared to regular in the 6.6, even with the lower mpg of the 6.6 3/4 ton, the cost per mile on fuel is essentially a wash.
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Old 09-22-2019, 02:14 PM   #7
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Very good post

Thank you for sharing the video. I am more at ease with my towing setup now.
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I enjoy my 6.2L half ton. It has all the bells and whistles and tows my Lite 5th wheel with no problems. I only use it to tow about 10% of the time. A service manager at the dealership said I could run regular gas unless towing then use premium as the fuel computer will adjust to the gas. It runs great on either grade. Some day I will up grade to a 3/4 ton but for now everything is good
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I'm glad I went with a half ton. As the post above mentions, mileage wise, I've towed about 20% of the time. I did my homework, and bought a travel trailer within my specs. It does a fine job towing, and I like the gas mileage when I'm driving it every day I'm not towing. When I bought, I did knowing it would limit the travel trailers I could buy.

Would a 3/4 ton do a better job? You bet! My next truck will be one. I'm waiting until my kids get bigger, and will probably go straight to a 1 ton because it will be time to upgrade to a larger trailer shortly after. For now, what I have has done a great job.
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Old 09-26-2019, 01:37 PM   #11
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I did notice that they used the F250 diesel upgraded truck and the low end F150. They could have used the F150 3.5 ECO with maxtow, 3.73 gears and a 10 speed. They would have gotten different results.
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I believe that on the range from 7000 to 12000lbs there is a debate and all depends on configuration.
I posted somewhere that recently I went to the dealer where I bought my truck and they had a F250 diesel with a payload capacity 700lbs BELOW what I have with my truck...


I have towed my 9000lbs / 34'11" camper from Indiana to Texas, Florida, Yellowstone, etc and never had a problem BUT I special ordered my truck so I got 2700lbs of payload capacity....
So based on my experience, I would say that if you want, you can tow up to what the manufacturers say you can tow.
I'm pretty sure I would be less safe towing my camper with that F250 than with my F150...

In the above weight range, configuration and specification rules.
If you don't want to deal with those, just buy a one ton and you are good to go up to 15000lbs....

Above that you need to pay attention to the specs too....
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I have towed my 9000lbs / 34'11" camper from Indiana to Texas, Florida, Yellowstone, etc and never had a problem BUT I special ordered my truck so I got 2700lbs of payload capacity....
So based on my experience, I would say that if you want, you can tow up to what the manufacturers say you can tow.
[COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black]I'm pretty sure I would be less safe towing my camper with that F250 than with my F150...
Well 3/4 tons are usually trying to stay under that magic 10K number GVW, so Yes if your strictly playing a numbers game, I see your point. However throw 1500 pounds in the back of each and see which squats more.
The f250 will have higher axle ratings, larger brakes, and since your comparing to a diesel, the addition of the Exhaust brake which really helps keep the speed down, all of which help to give a larger margin of safety for larger loads.
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.... However throw 1500 pounds in the back of each and see which squats more.
The f250 will have higher axle ratings, larger brakes, and since your comparing to a diesel, the addition of the Exhaust brake which really helps keep the speed down, all of which help to give a larger margin of safety for larger loads.
See, it is not me that is saying that that F250 is less capable to hauling cargo than my F150: Its Ford Engineering.
You can have the axle you want and the brakes you want but if your truck is built heavy, your own vehicle weight will eat the axle, brakes, etc capability....
So no, that F250 have LESS MARGIN than my truck, and that said by Ford engineering, not me.
If you put 2000lbs in the cab of both, the F250 will have nothing to spare while my truck will have 700lbs to spare.

I can tow a 5er with a 2001lbs tongue weight because whatever axle, brakes, etc I have, they have capacity available to handle that weight - That is engineering calculation.
By the same calculation,that F250 can't for, even though I think it may have bigger brakes and bigger axle, it is way closer to the limit, when empty, than my truck because it is heavy by itself.

Many F150s today have payload capacity above 2500lbs while many F250 have less so that is the reason I say in the above weight range, we need to check specifications.
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I'll take my RAM 2500 with 2257lbs of payload with the Cummins to tow my 8K trailer than any configuration of Ford F150 regardless of payload
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I'll take my RAM 2500 with 2257lbs of payload with the Cummins to tow my 8K trailer than any configuration of Ford F150 regardless of payload
My point is not diminish the importance of a 3/4 ton but new people enter on these discussion and then go to a dealer asking for a diesel 3/4 ton and may end up with less capability to tow than if they got a properly equiped(and less expensive) 1/2 ton or even a 3/4 ton gas.
I don't know why Ford does that but if someone buys that truck thinking in towing because "its a diesel 3/4 ton", they are paying at least $10K more to have less capability....
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One thing that I have not heard mentioned is the frontal area of towed trailers that 150’s and 250’s can handle. A 5th wheel has a lot of frontal area. I wonder if a 150 meets the requirements.
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One thing that I have not heard mentioned is the frontal area of towed trailers that 150ís and 250ís can handle. A 5th wheel has a lot of frontal area. I wonder if a 150 meets the requirements.
They're almost identical but the F150 has more restrictions.
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