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Old 08-23-2016, 08:13 PM   #1
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146 lbs Over and what to do?

Thinking hard about buying what appears to be a perfect 5th wheel for my family. But after running all the numbers it looks like I am 146 lbs over CCC.

TV CCC: 3805 (from door sticker on truck)
Driver/Passengers: 420
Pets and misc: 120
Hitch: 194
Total: 734
So in summary: 3805-734=3071 left for pin weight

The trailer (Nitro 36TI5) is rated UVW 13731 and Pin Weight 3217
Wow! The pin weight seems high for this unit but can't argue the numbers.

What to do? Will loading cargo aft of the trailer axels reduce the Pin weight and help makeup the 146 lbs?
I went at this eyes wide open and purchased a 2016 RAM 3500 SRW Diesel never ever thinking I would be down to 146 pounds of consideration.
Would appreciate some feedback.
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:25 PM   #2
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Thinking hard about buying what appears to be a perfect 5th wheel for my family. But after running all the numbers it looks like I am 146 lbs over CCC.

TV CCC: 3805 (from door sticker on truck)
Driver/Passengers: 420
Pets and misc: 120
Hitch: 194
Total: 734
So in summary: 3805-734=3071 left for pin weight

The trailer (Nitro 36TI5) is rated UVW 13731 and Pin Weight 3217
Wow! The pin weight seems high for this unit but can't argue the numbers.

What to do? Will loading cargo aft of the trailer axels reduce the Pin weight and help makeup the 146 lbs?
I went at this eyes wide open and purchased a 2016 RAM 3500 SRW Diesel never ever thinking I would be down to 146 pounds of consideration.
Would appreciate some feedback.
It is a toy hauler. The UVW is before you load up your toys. I assume your buying that to put something back there. It will definitely take off pin weight as it is all behind the axles. Maybe some Nitro owners will pipe in here
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:50 PM   #3
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I wouldn't even put one thought into worrying about 146lbs. Been in the trucking industry my whole life not a thing to worry about especially with a ram think my chaparral is about the same pin weight my ram is a 11 dually
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Old 08-23-2016, 09:07 PM   #4
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I wouldn't even put one thought into worrying about 146lbs. Been in the trucking industry my whole life not a thing to worry about especially with a ram think my chaparral is about the same pin weight my ram is a 11 dually
Not a TH but the FW tank of my 5er is behind the rear axels. Before my F350 I would fill the tank with 60 gallons and that reduced my pin weight to put me legal with the F250. Your 146# will increase as you load the front but any toys probably weigh more than my water. BTW no difference in handling over the 250 pin by almost 300#, getting it down to legal by loading changes, or the F350. Even the rear axel rating had cushion on the 250 which was a concern until weighed twice. Think with heavy stuff in the garage you may be OK?
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:42 AM   #5
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Thinking hard about buying what appears to be a perfect 5th wheel for my family. But after running all the numbers it looks like I am 146 lbs over CCC.

TV CCC: 3805 (from door sticker on truck)
Driver/Passengers: 420
Pets and misc: 120
Hitch: 194
Total: 734
So in summary: 3805-734=3071 left for pin weight

The trailer (Nitro 36TI5) is rated UVW 13731 and Pin Weight 3217
Wow! The pin weight seems high for this unit but can't argue the numbers.

What to do? Will loading cargo aft of the trailer axels reduce the Pin weight and help makeup the 146 lbs?
I went at this eyes wide open and purchased a 2016 RAM 3500 SRW Diesel never ever thinking I would be down to 146 pounds of consideration.
Would appreciate some feedback.

I spent a few years in heavy equipment structural design for tractors (like 40Y). Do not even worry about 146 LBS over the numbers you have posted. Look at the percentage of weight that you are over.

I do have a couple of questions for you. One, is the truck a 2016 RAM Diesel? Two, is the truck a long bed Crew Cab or Mega Cab? Three, what transmission do you have the AISIN or the 68RFE and or the MTG56 manual?

All of three of these trucks have different GCWR and allow a different max trailer towing weight, so to properly answer your questions please state your truck model and components of the truck.

I get my data from the RAM Body Builders Web site that list the weights that really matter for towing a trailer. Here is the web link for this site.

http://www.rambodybuilder.com/year.pdf
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:48 AM   #6
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:49 AM   #7
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Not only would I not worry about it, as others have said... once you put stuff/toys in the back, the pin will get lighter.

Even without toys/stuff... just put your "misc" stuff (listed in your cargo) in the back of the trailer.


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Old 08-24-2016, 09:56 AM   #8
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Personally I would not worry about 146 lbs. ....and never have.......

...... But you will not know the actual weights till you put the loaded rig on a scale. The pin weight for your actual trailer can vary somewhat as to what the rated pin weight is. You may in reality not be over at all.

You see this disclaimer often on weights in the literature............ **Estimated Average based on standard build optional equipment.



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You have a few options....

1. You could ask if your wife if she wouldn't mind staying home.
2. You could ask your wife to leave one of her five bags of luggage at home.
3. You could all hit the bathroom before the weigh-in.

Personally, I wouldn't sweat 146 lbs.
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Jim34RL, yes it is a std bed diesel with the 68RFE trans.
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