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Old 08-23-2016, 07:13 PM   #1
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146 lbs Over and what to do?

Thinking hard about buying what appears to be a perfect 5th wheel for my family. But after running all the numbers it looks like I am 146 lbs over CCC.

TV CCC: 3805 (from door sticker on truck)
Driver/Passengers: 420
Pets and misc: 120
Hitch: 194
Total: 734
So in summary: 3805-734=3071 left for pin weight

The trailer (Nitro 36TI5) is rated UVW 13731 and Pin Weight 3217
Wow! The pin weight seems high for this unit but can't argue the numbers.

What to do? Will loading cargo aft of the trailer axels reduce the Pin weight and help makeup the 146 lbs?
I went at this eyes wide open and purchased a 2016 RAM 3500 SRW Diesel never ever thinking I would be down to 146 pounds of consideration.
Would appreciate some feedback.
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:25 PM   #2
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Thinking hard about buying what appears to be a perfect 5th wheel for my family. But after running all the numbers it looks like I am 146 lbs over CCC.

TV CCC: 3805 (from door sticker on truck)
Driver/Passengers: 420
Pets and misc: 120
Hitch: 194
Total: 734
So in summary: 3805-734=3071 left for pin weight

The trailer (Nitro 36TI5) is rated UVW 13731 and Pin Weight 3217
Wow! The pin weight seems high for this unit but can't argue the numbers.

What to do? Will loading cargo aft of the trailer axels reduce the Pin weight and help makeup the 146 lbs?
I went at this eyes wide open and purchased a 2016 RAM 3500 SRW Diesel never ever thinking I would be down to 146 pounds of consideration.
Would appreciate some feedback.
It is a toy hauler. The UVW is before you load up your toys. I assume your buying that to put something back there. It will definitely take off pin weight as it is all behind the axles. Maybe some Nitro owners will pipe in here
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:50 PM   #3
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I wouldn't even put one thought into worrying about 146lbs. Been in the trucking industry my whole life not a thing to worry about especially with a ram think my chaparral is about the same pin weight my ram is a 11 dually
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Old 08-23-2016, 08:07 PM   #4
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I wouldn't even put one thought into worrying about 146lbs. Been in the trucking industry my whole life not a thing to worry about especially with a ram think my chaparral is about the same pin weight my ram is a 11 dually
Not a TH but the FW tank of my 5er is behind the rear axels. Before my F350 I would fill the tank with 60 gallons and that reduced my pin weight to put me legal with the F250. Your 146# will increase as you load the front but any toys probably weigh more than my water. BTW no difference in handling over the 250 pin by almost 300#, getting it down to legal by loading changes, or the F350. Even the rear axel rating had cushion on the 250 which was a concern until weighed twice. Think with heavy stuff in the garage you may be OK?
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:42 AM   #5
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Thinking hard about buying what appears to be a perfect 5th wheel for my family. But after running all the numbers it looks like I am 146 lbs over CCC.

TV CCC: 3805 (from door sticker on truck)
Driver/Passengers: 420
Pets and misc: 120
Hitch: 194
Total: 734
So in summary: 3805-734=3071 left for pin weight

The trailer (Nitro 36TI5) is rated UVW 13731 and Pin Weight 3217
Wow! The pin weight seems high for this unit but can't argue the numbers.

What to do? Will loading cargo aft of the trailer axels reduce the Pin weight and help makeup the 146 lbs?
I went at this eyes wide open and purchased a 2016 RAM 3500 SRW Diesel never ever thinking I would be down to 146 pounds of consideration.
Would appreciate some feedback.

I spent a few years in heavy equipment structural design for tractors (like 40Y). Do not even worry about 146 LBS over the numbers you have posted. Look at the percentage of weight that you are over.

I do have a couple of questions for you. One, is the truck a 2016 RAM Diesel? Two, is the truck a long bed Crew Cab or Mega Cab? Three, what transmission do you have the AISIN or the 68RFE and or the MTG56 manual?

All of three of these trucks have different GCWR and allow a different max trailer towing weight, so to properly answer your questions please state your truck model and components of the truck.

I get my data from the RAM Body Builders Web site that list the weights that really matter for towing a trailer. Here is the web link for this site.

http://www.rambodybuilder.com/year.pdf
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:48 AM   #6
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I wouldn't sweat it at all!
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:49 AM   #7
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Not only would I not worry about it, as others have said... once you put stuff/toys in the back, the pin will get lighter.

Even without toys/stuff... just put your "misc" stuff (listed in your cargo) in the back of the trailer.


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Old 08-24-2016, 08:56 AM   #8
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Personally I would not worry about 146 lbs. ....and never have.......

...... But you will not know the actual weights till you put the loaded rig on a scale. The pin weight for your actual trailer can vary somewhat as to what the rated pin weight is. You may in reality not be over at all.

You see this disclaimer often on weights in the literature............ **Estimated Average based on standard build optional equipment.



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Old 08-24-2016, 09:07 AM   #9
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You have a few options....

1. You could ask if your wife if she wouldn't mind staying home.
2. You could ask your wife to leave one of her five bags of luggage at home.
3. You could all hit the bathroom before the weigh-in.

Personally, I wouldn't sweat 146 lbs.
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:12 AM   #10
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Jim34RL, yes it is a std bed diesel with the 68RFE trans.
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:26 AM   #11
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Jim34RL, yes it is a std bed diesel with the 68RFE trans.
What is a standard bed it was 8 ft ? I guess not any more?
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:32 AM   #12
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If I fill up the auxillary tank on my F350, I'm about 300 lbs. overweight on the rear axle when hooked up. I try not to do that often but when I am, I don't sweat it. The truck has done great since day one hauling this camper.

I'm still under the weights for my tire capacity.
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:50 AM   #13
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I'd go to a CAT scale and find the actual weight for the truck and, more important, the weight on the rear axle.

My Ram had CAT numbers about 100 pounds better than the door sticker, and that was with full fuel, me and all the miscellaneous stuff I carry in the big truck box mounted in the bed.
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Old 08-24-2016, 10:09 AM   #14
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If the weight of the 5er is dry weights you can except the pin weight to go up when your add stuff to 5er. I know that the toy haulers pin weights don't conform to standard but the still increase at some percentage.


The dry pin weight percentage is high at 23.4% so adding a 1500 lbs stuff gets you to 15321 so your pin will be 3585 at 23.4% and if you get 3% creep like lot of 5er do you be at 4021 pin weight.

You still have to account for stuff in the garage but I would never plan on dry weights to figure if I was over or under my payload numbers.

Here is a site you can use to estimate you pin weights.
Estimating Tongue/Pin Weight from Dry Weights - Towing Planner
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:46 PM   #15
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I knew I was going to be maxed out on weights when I purchased the 5er. I have much more faith in the safety factor of steel and welds than the rubber tires. Consequently, I upgraded the tires on the 5er to G614's AND the RAM 2500 to Michelins. I also installed air bags on the truck.
So far the 5er and truck have run great and I'm confident driving it in the 115 degree desert heat. I do need to put 20psi in the air bags to level the truck.

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Old 08-24-2016, 12:54 PM   #16
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Try this link, Ram Trucks - Towing Guide - Capacity Chart
Click on "look up my vehicle" enter your vin and year and it will give you your capacity numbers...
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As many have said, I would not worry about the 146 pounds. Also, once you burn about 20 gallons of fuel you should be dead on the number.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:56 PM   #18
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Question: I just went through this pin weight issue, and ended up going from the Ram 2500 that I wanted to a Ram 3500 (CC, SW, cummins, Aisen)
in order to get us above the pin weight specs... that said, I know that once the RV is loaded, we will be close. Several of you have mentioned 'legal' or 'prior to weigh in'.

Do some states require weigh-ins? Do we have to pull into the truck scales? I just moved up from an ultra-lite TT, and just whizzed by those lines. Is this something I should be thinking/ worrying about?
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Do some states require weigh-ins? Do we have to pull into the truck scales? I just moved up from an ultra-lite TT, and just whizzed by those lines. Is this something I should be thinking/ worrying about?
You should not need to stop at any of the DOT scales as they are commercial traffic only.
Most of the time when people talk about weighing or going to the scales it is done to verify they are ok on their weight, for their own concern.
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