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Can you borrow his truck and fix on your own? Might be another avenue for you.
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04-29-2014, 10:00 PM
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Here's the deal, I know what's wrong with it, fixed hundreds myself, greased, replaced, redistributed the grease, even installed a grease fitting or two.
I can replace one of those in less than ten minutes including the time to get the tools out and put them back. On my truck I'm just going to install a grease fitting and call it done.
However, I show up to buy that truck, I'll point that knock out and will promptly try to knock $500 off the price just over that, before the other things I may find.
So, it's good money to replace it.
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04-29-2014, 10:21 PM
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Ok guys.
Recommending to someone to drill a hole in a steering shaft to add a grease zert is not a good idea.
This shaft is a MAJOR SAFETY COMPONENT!!!!! The noise is not!!! Drilling a hole in it IS NOT SAFE. This will weeken the shaft and could cause failure. That is why gm would have you repack the grease.
What you do on your own is on you, but lets not recommend things that could cause a serious safety issue...please!
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04-29-2014, 10:36 PM
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I certainly appreciate each recommendation here and will figure a way to swap it out. I have to ride a narrow fence here. He GAVE me a 1995 z71 4wd when he moved last month. So I want to help as much as I can but can't be pushy. He's taking wife to doctor out of town soon, in their SUV, so I'll have opportunity then to do it. I'll keep you posted.
Milletime, thanks for pointing out the safety issue. While I do have tap and die set, I'm not eager to do that on his truck. Just want to get it quieted for selling. Knocks and bumps equal less $$$ as sknight knows.
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04-30-2014, 07:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MillerTime
Ok guys.
Recommending to someone to drill a hole in a steering shaft to add a grease zert is not a good idea.
This shaft is a MAJOR SAFETY COMPONENT!!!!! The noise is not!!! Drilling a hole in it IS NOT SAFE. This will weeken the shaft and could cause failure. That is why gm would have you repack the grease.
What you do on your own is on you, but lets not recommend things that could cause a serious safety issue...please!
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What he said.
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Originally Posted by dcheatwood
I certainly appreciate each recommendation here and will figure a way to swap it out. I have to ride a narrow fence here. He GAVE me a 1995 z71 4wd when he moved last month. So I want to help as much as I can but can't be pushy. He's taking wife to doctor out of town soon, in their SUV, so I'll have opportunity then to do it. I'll keep you posted.
Milletime, thanks for pointing out the safety issue. While I do have tap and die set, I'm not eager to do that on his truck. Just want to get it quieted for selling. Knocks and bumps equal less $$$ as sknight knows.
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Please do not drill it and tap for grease zerk. As was stated, this will not allow the steering colunm to collapse, in the event of a head on collision.
1. Immobolize the steering wheel.
2. Unbolt the steering colunm from the steering box (2) bolts.
3. Grab the lower portion of the steering colunm with your hand.
4. Push lower portion, up inside of upper portion. (repeat 1/2 dozen times.)
5. Re attach colunm to steering steering box.
6. Cut the steering wheel loose.
7. Open cold beer.
8. Drink cold beer.
This will take under 30 minutes and quiet it down for the next 10 to 12 months. Longer if he doesn't drive it much.
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04-30-2014, 09:33 AM
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^^^^ did that a few times!
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05-01-2014, 01:55 PM
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OK. Just pulled the intermediate steering shaft. It was clean, no slack and no grease. Completely dry. Has yellowish, plastic looking splines. Was hard to pull at first but loosened a little after cycling it a few times. Added grease and worked back and forth another 20 times. Still snug. Replaced and drove. BUMP BUMP. No change. Still feel no vibration in the steering wheel. Thinking it has to be shock or suspension. But sounds like its just left of the steering wheel, under dash, near firewall.
Thanks for your thought. We gave it a try.
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05-01-2014, 02:37 PM
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There was also a problem with the bolts in the crossmember that runs underneath the oil pan. I had that problem after changing the intermediate shaft I pulled the crossmember bolts and turned them around and the problem was solved, for about a year. After that I just got used to it...
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05-01-2014, 02:47 PM
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There's still no grease in the splines. It's a tight enough fit that it will feel tight in your hands, might be hard to pull apart, but I promise you there's no grease where it needs to be. GM supplied a plug with the kits, you extend the shaft all the way out, wring a sizable wad of grease into the cavity, insert the plug which was an actual locking screw, put it on the floor standing up, wrap a rag around the top and put your weight into it. It was so tight that even with my 250lb tail on it reaching the bottom took 30 seconds or so.
Engine off, wheel unlocked, grab it and shake it back and forth with your hand. If it knocks, it's the shaft.
Here's the GM kit so you can see what I'm talking about.
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05-01-2014, 02:55 PM
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adding to the conversation, my 2003 2500HD was clunking and never really cared until is learned via this forum how easy it was to "fix" 1 - 15mm socket and ratchet, about 5 minutes from beginning to end using process noted previously in this post. Worked for me, just gonna see how long it lasts
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05-01-2014, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MillerTime
Ok guys.
Recommending to someone to drill a hole in a steering shaft to add a grease zert is not a good idea.
This shaft is a MAJOR SAFETY COMPONENT!!!!! The noise is not!!! Drilling a hole in it IS NOT SAFE. This will weeken the shaft and could cause failure. That is why gm would have you repack the grease.
What you do on your own is on you, but lets not recommend things that could cause a serious safety issue...please!
What he said.
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Originally Posted by dcheatwood
I certainly appreciate each recommendation here and will figure a way to swap it out. I have to ride a narrow fence here. He GAVE me a 1995 z71 4wd when he moved last month. So I want to help as much as I can but can't be pushy. He's taking wife to doctor out of town soon, in their SUV, so I'll have opportunity then to do it. I'll keep you posted.
Milletime, thanks for pointing out the safety issue. While I do have tap and die set, I'm not eager to do that on his truck. Just want to get it quieted for selling. Knocks and bumps equal less $$$ as sknight knows.
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Please do not drill it and tap for grease zerk. As was stated, this will not allow the steering colunm to collapse, in the event of a head on collision.
WOW! Talk about being over protective! Absolutely no way on god's green earth will a hole for a grease fitting kill someone in an accident, for one thing, when completed the shaft still moves freely!A another thing that you can check is to grab the shaft at the bottom of the steering column and see if it moves, it may also be the lower column bearing, very cheap part and another easy fix if it moves.
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05-01-2014, 04:34 PM
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I'm sure glad you said it. Thank you!
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05-01-2014, 05:51 PM
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Thanks. I read about and watched a video on regreasing and using the plug to force grease thru the splines. This shaft has no play in it at all. We've tried from the top, underneath and under dash. There is no slack. Not lateral or linear. Have not taken cross member off. Could you tell it was loose before you removed it?
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05-01-2014, 07:23 PM
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Forgot to post this picture from today.
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05-01-2014, 07:58 PM
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This vehicle has reputation for weak tie rod endings. If you need one you may as well replace both you avoid 2'nd alignment charges. Replaced both of mine 8 months apart
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05-02-2014, 11:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by updhaul
This vehicle has reputation for weak tie rod endings. If you need one you may as well replace both you avoid 2'nd alignment charges. Replaced both of mine 8 months apart
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the tie rods are the weak part but they will never bend unless you do 4x4 launches, and if you count the 1/2 turns while removing the ball joint and install the sleeves, alignment is not required, and or measure with a 64th scale with the half shafts total length removed
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05-02-2014, 12:33 PM
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Good. So basically making sure they are exactly the same length as the original? Sounds simple but I think its time for him to find professional help. He's taken it in twice and was told they couldn't find the source of the bump and to ignore it.
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05-02-2014, 10:22 PM
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Dcheatwood. I sent you a message.
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05-03-2014, 06:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dcheatwood
OK. Just pulled the intermediate steering shaft. It was clean, no slack and no grease. Completely dry. Has yellowish, plastic looking splines. Was hard to pull at first but loosened a little after cycling it a few times. Added grease and worked back and forth another 20 times. Still snug. Replaced and drove. BUMP BUMP. No change. Still feel no vibration in the steering wheel. Thinking it has to be shock or suspension. But sounds like its just left of the steering wheel, under dash, near firewall.
Thanks for your thought. We gave it a try.
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Man I am so sorry that, that did not cure the problem.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusadernoob
Originally Posted by MillerTime
Ok guys.
Recommending to someone to drill a hole in a steering shaft to add a grease zert is not a good idea.
This shaft is a MAJOR SAFETY COMPONENT!!!!! The noise is not!!! Drilling a hole in it IS NOT SAFE. This will weeken the shaft and could cause failure. That is why gm would have you repack the grease.
What you do on your own is on you, but lets not recommend things that could cause a serious safety issue...please!
What he said.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcheatwood
I certainly appreciate each recommendation here and will figure a way to swap it out. I have to ride a narrow fence here. He GAVE me a 1995 z71 4wd when he moved last month. So I want to help as much as I can but can't be pushy. He's taking wife to doctor out of town soon, in their SUV, so I'll have opportunity then to do it. I'll keep you posted.
Milletime, thanks for pointing out the safety issue. While I do have tap and die set, I'm not eager to do that on his truck. Just want to get it quieted for selling. Knocks and bumps equal less $$$ as sknight knows.
Sent from my XT907 using Forest River Forums mobile app
Please do not drill it and tap for grease zerk. As was stated, this will not allow the steering colunm to collapse, in the event of a head on collision.
WOW! Talk about being over protective! Absolutely no way on god's green earth will a hole for a grease fitting kill someone in an accident, for one thing, when completed the shaft still moves freely!A another thing that you can check is to grab the shaft at the bottom of the steering column and see if it moves, it may also be the lower column bearing, very cheap part and another easy fix if it moves.
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I'll take one more shot at this, and I'm out.
In a head on collision, the steering column is designed to collaspe and not impail the driver causing seriuos injury, or death.
In order for it to collaspe, there must be a space inside of the upper shaft, for the the lower to IMMEDIATLY slide into. If that space is filled with grease from the installation of a zerk and over zealous grease gun pumping, the lower CANNOT move into that space.
Have you ever heard or a "hydralic lock"? When a cylinder fills with fluid, (water, gasoline, diesel fuel etc.) the piston locks up, because the fluid is occupieing the space, where the piston needs to go.
This is the same principal.
Good luck with the repairs. My 03 has over 300,000 miles on it, I no longer own the 03 Yukon my wife used to drive, but I built both of them from repo's (Yukon) or wrecks (Dmax), so I felt pretty confident in my diagnosis of the origin of your noise.
Sorry I was incorrect.
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Hey man. I learned a lot from your, and other's posts here. And I appreciate the wisdom shared. I'll post the solution, if ever determined, so everyone can add it to their own knowledge base. Thanks again.
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