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Old 02-09-2014, 08:47 AM   #21
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If staying close to your calculated payload numbers is important, then you'll definetly need to shop lighter 5'ver designs to meet your "loaded" pin weight.

That's a large difference between 1953lbs dry pin weight (this number will only increase when 5'ver is loaded & setup) and your available truck payload of 1200lbs!
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:52 AM   #22
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jevanb - My drive axle weight is 2980lbs (per the CAT scales). The truck GAWR is 6084. That would leave me with 3104 left that could go in the axle. The trouble is the GVWR is only 9200 and the truck total is 7400. which only leaves 1800 for addition payload. I just don't understand where they get these numbers. The front axle is rated for 4800lbs and the rear like I said is rated for 6084. If you total them up it comes out to 108804. Is the difference between the 10804 and the 9200 a safety cushion?
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:53 AM   #23
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Thanks again everyone for all the input.
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Old 02-09-2014, 10:41 AM   #24
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depends on if dually or not of course. My 2014 1 ton crew cab long bed single rear wheel Duramax has a GVWR of 11,600. Payload of 4143. Towing capacity of 13,000 bumper pull and 16,800 with 5th wheel.
I was referring to a srw and I know the newer late models have more towing capacity than the older ones and where I don't own a chevy but rather a ford I have 4 friends that are die hard chevy fans. 1 pulls a brand new Montana 39 footer( I think), it is a bunk house style, with 4 slides with his 06 2500 hd short box cc 4x4 and he is going to add bags to take the squat back out. the other pulls a 36' gn enclosed we converted into a toy hauler camper and empty before the mod's it weighed 8500 lbs. he is pulling with an 06 3500 cc 4x4 long box. he did have to add bags for when he adds his toys ( v6 sand rail and dirt bike and quad plus tools and gear and everything else we added to make it a camper) it squatted his truck a little but not bad but when he hit larger bumps on the hwy he could fell it hit his overloads and bounce off so he added the bags to stop that. I went dually as personal preference after borrowing a buddies to test tow my th'er and couldn't believe the diff over a 1 ton srw in stability. my truck isn't a daily driver but I have had a crew cab f350 long box diesel and then a f250 ext cab long box diesel and now back to a f350 quad cab long box and went drw. there is no diff in empty ride between the f250 and f350 imo but loaded, the 1 ton rides sooo much smoother. I know these are chevy's but I would imagine it holds the same. now if the op buys the unit he is looking at he might find himself wanting a 3500 running slightly over specs on the truck imo. now I own a toy hauler and I don't run with any liquids in any of my tanks since where I go have full hook ups and empty the th'er doesn't squat my truck, I have a 5k lb payload on my '99. now once my sand rail and tools and gear are all loaded it squats my truck about 4 " and my low beams become my high beams lol ( just turned 90k miles on the truck btw) so I added bags. FR rated my fiver with 1800 lb pin weight and empty 8400lb ccv I have not scaled it and I figure I am loading about 3k lbs to the trailer with all my gear and toys. my air ride hitch weighs 245 lbs which I didn't think would make a diff in the box but it all adds up quick!! my truck is rated to tow a fiver at 13600 lbs gtw. however with each new model these campers just get heavier and heavier and imo are bordering semi's lol lol
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Old 02-09-2014, 10:44 AM   #25
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ford and dodge fight with these #`s also. A 3500 SRW is no diff then a 2500 just 1 extra spring and in my year (06) 265 tires vs 245 not sure about the 13 and beyond. I would not hesitate to get what you want and pull it with a 2500HD. personally if I am not over and Axle weight rating I am good, but the weight police here will flame me for saying that
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Old 02-09-2014, 11:56 AM   #26
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Here are some great resources.

The Tracking Document I use is attached.

A Word document file (one for 5th wheels and one for Travel Trailers) is also attached for anyone who wants to edit it for their own use.
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I have been around this track a few times, first an F-250, then a F-350. Added the numbers, subtracted the numbers, a little over, a little under, take from column A, add to column B etc, etc. Finally bit the bullet now a RAM 3500, dual wheels, AISIN transmission owner. What a difference in stability and stopping power! Don't care what make you get, just get one that can do the job. Cut out some of the frills, so you can afford a big enough truck, you'll be so much happier in the long run.
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I have been around this track a few times, first an F-250, then a F-350. Added the numbers, subtracted the numbers, a little over, a little under, take from column A, add to column B etc, etc. Finally bit the bullet now a RAM 3500, dual wheels, AISIN transmission owner. What a difference in stability and stopping power! Don't care what make you get, just get one that can do the job. Cut out some of the frills, so you can afford a big enough truck, you'll be so much happier in the long run.
very well said. I didn't go dually, but did go 1 ton. Just middle of the line option level, but equipped right to do what I bought it for
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Yep, you are right on.


My 2008 GMC Sierra 2500HD Duramax has a GVWR of 9200 pounds as well.

My 9,000 pound 5th wheel maxes out the trucks available payload and carries a 1450 pound loaded pin with my DW, dog, generator, hitch, and 2 spare diesel cans.

You need to move your 5th wheel expectations down a few thousand pounds. Shop in the 9 - 10 thousand pound range.
My 2009 chevy 2500HD 6.0 gasser has a gvwr of 9200 lbs...
Thought the Duramax would have been more
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My 2009 chevy 2500HD 6.0 gasser has a gvwr of 9200 lbs...
Thought the Duramax would have been more
You will find your choice allows you more remaining payload than my diesel (but at a cost of slightly less MPG).
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