2003 2500HD Weight - Is this right? - Page 2

Cajun Po-Boy · 02-09-2014, 08:47 AM

OP...
If staying close to your calculated payload numbers is important, then you'll definetly need to shop lighter 5'ver designs to meet your "loaded" pin weight.

That's a large difference between 1953lbs dry pin weight (this number will only increase when 5'ver is loaded & setup) and your available truck payload of 1200lbs!

jrlogan10 · 02-09-2014, 08:52 AM

jevanb - My drive axle weight is 2980lbs (per the CAT scales). The truck GAWR is 6084. That would leave me with 3104 left that could go in the axle. The trouble is the GVWR is only 9200 and the truck total is 7400. which only leaves 1800 for addition payload. I just don't understand where they get these numbers. The front axle is rated for 4800lbs and the rear like I said is rated for 6084. If you total them up it comes out to 108804. Is the difference between the 10804 and the 9200 a safety cushion?

jrlogan10 · 02-09-2014, 08:53 AM

Thanks again everyone for all the input.

dsrace · 02-09-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by davel1971

depends on if dually or not of course. My 2014 1 ton crew cab long bed single rear wheel Duramax has a GVWR of 11,600. Payload of 4143. Towing capacity of 13,000 bumper pull and 16,800 with 5th wheel.

I was referring to a srw and I know the newer late models have more towing capacity than the older ones and where I don't own a chevy but rather a ford I have 4 friends that are die hard chevy fans. 1 pulls a brand new Montana 39 footer( I think), it is a bunk house style, with 4 slides with his 06 2500 hd short box cc 4x4 and he is going to add bags to take the squat back out. the other pulls a 36' gn enclosed we converted into a toy hauler camper and empty before the mod's it weighed 8500 lbs. he is pulling with an 06 3500 cc 4x4 long box. he did have to add bags for when he adds his toys ( v6 sand rail and dirt bike and quad plus tools and gear and everything else we added to make it a camper) it squatted his truck a little but not bad but when he hit larger bumps on the hwy he could fell it hit his overloads and bounce off so he added the bags to stop that. I went dually as personal preference after borrowing a buddies to test tow my th'er and couldn't believe the diff over a 1 ton srw in stability. my truck isn't a daily driver but I have had a crew cab f350 long box diesel and then a f250 ext cab long box diesel and now back to a f350 quad cab long box and went drw. there is no diff in empty ride between the f250 and f350 imo but loaded, the 1 ton rides sooo much smoother. I know these are chevy's but I would imagine it holds the same. now if the op buys the unit he is looking at he might find himself wanting a 3500 running slightly over specs on the truck imo. now I own a toy hauler and I don't run with any liquids in any of my tanks since where I go have full hook ups and empty the th'er doesn't squat my truck, I have a 5k lb payload on my '99. now once my sand rail and tools and gear are all loaded it squats my truck about 4 " and my low beams become my high beams lol ( just turned 90k miles on the truck btw) so I added bags. FR rated my fiver with 1800 lb pin weight and empty 8400lb ccv I have not scaled it and I figure I am loading about 3k lbs to the trailer with all my gear and toys. my air ride hitch weighs 245 lbs which I didn't think would make a diff in the box but it all adds up quick!! my truck is rated to tow a fiver at 13600 lbs gtw. however with each new model these campers just get heavier and heavier and imo are bordering semi's lol lol

jevanb · 02-09-2014, 10:44 AM

ford and dodge fight with these #`s also. A 3500 SRW is no diff then a 2500 just 1 extra spring and in my year (06) 265 tires vs 245 not sure about the 13 and beyond. I would not hesitate to get what you want and pull it with a 2500HD. personally if I am not over and Axle weight rating I am good, but the weight police here will flame me for saying that

**Herk7769** · 02-09-2014, 11:56 AM

Here are some great resources.

The Tracking Document I use is attached.

A Word document file (one for 5th wheels and one for Travel Trailers) is also attached for anyone who wants to edit it for their own use.

btritschler1437 · 02-09-2014, 01:10 PM

I have been around this track a few times, first an F-250, then a F-350. Added the numbers, subtracted the numbers, a little over, a little under, take from column A, add to column B etc, etc. Finally bit the bullet now a RAM 3500, dual wheels, AISIN transmission owner. What a difference in stability and stopping power! Don't care what make you get, just get one that can do the job. Cut out some of the frills, so you can afford a big enough truck, you'll be so much happier in the long run.

davel1971 · 02-09-2014, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by btritschler1437

I have been around this track a few times, first an F-250, then a F-350. Added the numbers, subtracted the numbers, a little over, a little under, take from column A, add to column B etc, etc. Finally bit the bullet now a RAM 3500, dual wheels, AISIN transmission owner. What a difference in stability and stopping power! Don't care what make you get, just get one that can do the job. Cut out some of the frills, so you can afford a big enough truck, you'll be so much happier in the long run.

very well said.

I didn't go dually, but did go 1 ton. Just middle of the line option level, but equipped right to do what I bought it for

**Platokidd** · 02-09-2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by herk7769

Yep, you are right on.

My 2008 GMC Sierra 2500HD Duramax has a GVWR of 9200 pounds as well.

My 9,000 pound 5th wheel maxes out the trucks available payload and carries a 1450 pound loaded pin with my DW, dog, generator, hitch, and 2 spare diesel cans.

You need to move your 5th wheel expectations down a few thousand pounds. Shop in the 9 - 10 thousand pound range.

My 2009 chevy 2500HD 6.0 gasser has a gvwr of 9200 lbs...
Thought the Duramax would have been more

**Herk7769** · 02-09-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Platokidd

My 2009 chevy 2500HD 6.0 gasser has a gvwr of 9200 lbs...
Thought the Duramax would have been more

You will find your choice allows you more remaining payload than my diesel (but at a cost of slightly less MPG).

davel1971 · 02-09-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by herk7769

You will find your choice allows you more remaining payload than my diesel (but at a cost of slightly less MPG).

slightly less is an understatement. The 6.0 gas is a wonderful engine. I used to have one. We have many at work. They are just very fond of gas stations.

**Platokidd** · 02-09-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by davel1971

slightly less is an understatement. The 6.0 gas is a wonderful engine. I used to have one. We have many at work. They are just very fond of gas stations.

I need to stretch my legs every once in awhile

On a trip to K.Y. last fall my mpg was around 7.5 to 11
What are you getting with the duramax?

davel1971 · 02-09-2014, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Platokidd

I need to stretch my legs every once in awhile

On a trip to K.Y. last fall my mpg was around 7.5 to 11
What are you getting with the duramax?

I just picked up a new 5th wheel 2 weeks ago. Towing it home about 40 miles I got 12. Its 32ft and 11,000 lbs as it sits now. We traded a 30ft bumper pull, (about 8000lbs loaded) which I averaged about 10.5 towing it. When I still had my 6.0 gas 2500, I got 7-8 towing the same 30ft er.

**Herk7769** · 02-09-2014, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Platokidd

I need to stretch my legs every once in awhile

On a trip to K.Y. last fall my mpg was around 7.5 to 11
What are you getting with the duramax?

See - slightly. I just drove 8050 miles on our trip to San Diego and crossed the divide on the trip. Average MPG for the entire trip was 11.7 MPG. While I had legs that were in excess of 12 (and one with a tail wind of 13.5) the mountains still killed the average. Yes, KY and TN were tough, too.

davel1971 · 02-09-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by herk7769

See - slightly. I just drove 8050 miles on our trip to San Diego and crossed the divide on the trip. Average MPG for the entire trip was 11.7 MPG. While I had legs that were in excess of 12 (and one with a tail wind of 13.5) the mountains still killed the average. Yes, KY and TN were tough, too.

going from 7.5 to 10.5 on same trailer is an increase of 40%. I wouldn't call that slightly. That's very significant.

**Herk7769** · 02-09-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by davel1971

going from 7.5 to 10.5 on same trailer is an increase of 40%. I wouldn't call that slightly. That's very significant.

Pulling hard we did get into the 9 MPG range, but most of the trip it was about 12 to 12.5.

davel1971 · 02-09-2014, 03:32 PM

I'm hoping to average 12ish, other than hilly terrain of course. Big improvement of getting 7-8 when I had less of a truck and less of a camper.

**Herk7769** · 02-09-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by davel1971

I'm hoping to average 12ish, other than hilly terrain of course. Big improvement of getting 7-8 when I had less of a truck and less of a camper.

That should be no problem; but back to the OP's question, you will sacrifice payload due to the heavier engine.

davel1971 · 02-09-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by herk7769

That should be no problem; but back to the OP's question, you will sacrifice payload due to the heavier engine.

by a difference of 123 lbs on a 1 ton Duramax vs 6.0. But the GVWR is higher on the Duramax by 600. Go figure.

**Herk7769** · 02-09-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by davel1971

by a difference of 123 lbs on a 1 ton Duramax vs 6.0. But the GVWR is higher on the Duramax by 600. Go figure.

I seem to recall a wider margin on mine; but it has been years since I looked at it.

Where did you find the curb weights for the gasser vs Duramax?
I have been looking but can't find it.

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