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Old 07-18-2016, 12:58 PM   #1
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2007 Expedition: HD tow package?

My dad has had this vehicle for a couple of years. It's the extended "EL", which means it got the 3.73 axle ratio standard. Question is, does it have the HD towing package or not. From what I have studied, the 3.73 axle does not guarantee the full 9000 lbs rating. You need the HD towing package, regardless of which axle you have.

Is there an easy, visual indicator that would ensure he has the HD towing package or not?

I have studied the 2007 Ford towing guide (as well as other model years), and have learned:
1. It's not like the Explorer, where simply looking at the hitch tells you which package you have. Standard hitch is good for the full rating.
2. Axle ratio has no effect on max tow rating or GCVWR. HD tow gets ~9000 lbs rating (3.55 or 3.73). No HD tow gets 6000 lbs rating (3.55 or 3.73).
4. HD tow package includes an upgrade from 4-flat to the 7-round connector. Is that true? Has anybody ever seen this gen Expy with a 4-flat connector? 6000lb rating should have provision for brakes. Please confirm. If this is true, this would be the easiest way to tell if you have the HD tow package.
5. Std trans cooler is 7-channel; HD tow cooler is 11-channel. Can this be checked thru the grill, or from beneath?
6. HD tow gets a radiator upgrade. Is there any visual indicator as to which radiator it has?
7. HD tow gets "Electronic Brake Wiring Kit", while the Std does not. What is this kit? Is that the socket under the dash and/or pigtail for the controller? HD tow (according to #4) already has everything set up at the rear. Or maybe this is the fuses/relays under the hood?
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Old 07-18-2016, 01:52 PM   #2
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Don't worry about which package. Just look on the stickers on your door jam. They will have GVWR, front GAWR, rear GAWR and allowable payload. That will tell you what the vehicle can safely handle.

A properly loaded trailer, that does not exceed your payload, probably will not exceed any GCWR.


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Old 07-19-2016, 09:42 AM   #3
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I appreciate the quick feedback, but we would like to know if this truck has the HD tow package or not.


From other sites, it sounds like the connector type could be the visual indicator (4-flat=std tow package; 7-round=HD tow package).
Can anyone confirm?
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:57 AM   #4
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2007 Expedition: HD tow package?

When we bought our Expedition we were told 7 pin was the hd tow. We tow a 2304s with no problems.
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When we bought our Expedition we were told 7 pin was the hd tow. We tow a 2304s with no problems.
x2 - If you have the FACTORY 7-way, you have the HD package. You can also check the transmission cooler and check for the number of cooling coils. If memory serves the standard is like 7 coils and the HD package is like 11 or more.

From my research on the '04s there's a few differences:
- Factory 7-way Harness
- Slightly larger radiator
- Larger tranny cooler
- Brake (elec) wiring kit

You can however get the 5.4L and the 3.73 without the HD package. Here's the 2007 Ford Towing Guide. Check page 14 the "536" is the HD towing package, and page 20 for limits.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources...guideApr08.pdf

However, I could not agree more with 325BH, check the door panel and do the math on your weights and make sure you're in compliance.
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Old 07-19-2016, 01:18 PM   #6
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A local Ford Dealer can check based on the VIN.
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Old 07-19-2016, 01:35 PM   #7
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Your local Ford dealer can tell you from the VIN.
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Old 07-19-2016, 02:55 PM   #8
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You don't need a dealer to check the VIN; decodethis.com will happily do it for you and in our experience seems to be quite accurate.
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At the risk of muddying the waters, my 2006 Expedition came with 7 pin connector, but had a trailer conversion kit packed in with the spare tire which Consisted of a relay and a fuse WHICH I HAD TO INSTALL IN THE ELECTRICAL PANEL on the passenger side wall. Took some research to figure out where they went. The relay disconnects power from the trailer when the ignition is off, to prevent battery drain. Think the fuse went to brake controller... When I traded for an 07, the kit was already installed. They've been great tow / travel vehicles for us (we are 7,500lbs GVW).
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:31 PM   #10
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Use this site to pull your build sheet.
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It will be listed as : With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing
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Old 07-19-2016, 09:28 PM   #11
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2007 Expedition: HD tow package?

Have 2007 expedition if it has the factory 7 pin installed it has the hd towing pkg. also you can look at the trans cooler since its bigger than the non hd version. I have seen expeditions with only the 4 pin
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Dad has the factory 7-pin...but he says he counts "about 8 passes" thru the cooler. Would be difficult to check the radiator size, without another to compare. Either way, he doesn't want to go beyond 6000 lbs anyway with the trailer, but we'd still like to know.
We'll try looking up the VIN in the couple of links posted here.
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x2 - If you have the FACTORY 7-way, you have the HD package. You can also check the transmission cooler and check for the number of cooling coils. If memory serves the standard is like 7 coils and the HD package is like 11 or more.

From my research on the '04s there's a few differences:
- Factory 7-way Harness
- Slightly larger radiator
- Larger tranny cooler
- Brake (elec) wiring kit

You can however get the 5.4L and the 3.73 without the HD package. Here's the 2007 Ford Towing Guide. Check page 14 the "536" is the HD towing package, and page 20 for limits.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources...guideApr08.pdf

However, I could not agree more with 325BH, check the door panel and do the math on your weights and make sure you're in compliance.
Thanks. The '07 towing guide is where I got all my info in my initial post.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:19 AM   #14
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Use this site to pull your build sheet.
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It will be listed as : With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing
Looks like he has the full rating:
" With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing"

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