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Old 07-07-2016, 12:28 PM   #21
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Wrong...check the Ford Specs. For 2016 the 6.2 Gas V-8 has 385 HP an 405 pounds of torque. For 2016 the 3.5 EcoBoost has 365 HP and 405 pounds of torque. A loaded-up King Ranch F250 will likely have lower payload than an Heavy Duty Payload F150.

A special reason? Yes. If you drive 25,000 miles per year and 3,000 of those are towing, the F150 will get about 18 mpg as a daily driver. The F250 gas will get about 13 mpg. Let's assume that the truck is bought new and kept until 250,000 miles on the truck. While towing, the mileage will be about the same between the two trucks. But, as a daily driver, the F150 will use during the lifetime of the truck (220,000/18) 12,222 gallons of non-towing use gasoline. The F250 will use (220,000/13) 16,923 gallons of non-towing gas. At $2.50 per gallon, that is a fuel savings of $11,752! And, if gas goes back up to $4.00/gallon, that is a fuel savings of $18,804.00! That is more than special reason enough for me!
We have an F250 with 20k miles on the 6.7. Mostly suburban driving daily getting 17.7 to 18.5. It gets 11.8 towing 10,500#. My daily driver F350 gets 17 - 18.2. Unless an old truck your numbers are off. If you tow 30000 annually gas milage sux. We tow 6900# with a F150 eb that gets 9.3 on flat roads along the coast. Yes, it costs a little more but so much easier to drive towing heavy duty diesel.I'm not planning on ever buying another 1/2 ton or gasser. Everyone buys what they feel meets their needs and fits their wallet.
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Old 07-07-2016, 12:42 PM   #22
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The payload is based on the truck itself with options that truck has. Example: GMC has my truck with a #2600 of payload by the sticker on my actual truck has it at #2400. Payloads will vary.
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Old 07-07-2016, 10:30 PM   #23
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We have an F250 with 20k miles on the 6.7. Mostly suburban driving daily getting 17.7 to 18.5. It gets 11.8 towing 10,500#. My daily driver F350 gets 17 - 18.2. Unless an old truck your numbers are off. If you tow 30000 annually gas milage sux. We tow 6900# with a F150 eb that gets 9.3 on flat roads along the coast. Yes, it costs a little more but so much easier to drive towing heavy duty diesel.I'm not planning on ever buying another 1/2 ton or gasser. Everyone buys what they feel meets their needs and fits their wallet.
I use fuelly.com to get my mileage figures, which are actual owner experiences for gasoline-powered trucks. For the F250, the average mpg is 12.8 mpg for 2016 trucks, 13.6 for 2015 trucks, 14.4 for 2014 trucks, 14.1 for 2013 trucks. The results are similar for 2012-1999 trucks.

At my local gas station, diesel is 29 cents higher per gallon. A diesel doesn't make sense for me, using the truck as a daily driver in a sales profession.

The higher fuel costs (in Illinois and Indiana), higher oil change costs, DEF fluid, cold-weather concerns, higher purchase price, and the inability to fit a F250 or F350 crew-cab in my garage are all concerns. (The F250 Super Crew is about 6.5 inches longer than an F150 Super Crew with the 6 1/2 foot bed).

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I use fuelly.com to get my mileage figures, which are actual owner experiences for gasoline-powered trucks. For the F250, the average mpg is 12.8 mpg for 2016 trucks, 13.6 for 2015 trucks, 14.4 for 2014 trucks, 14.1 for 2013 trucks. The results are similar for 2012-1999 trucks.

At my local gas station, diesel is 29 cents higher per gallon. A diesel doesn't make sense for me, using the truck as a daily driver in a sales profession.

The higher fuel costs (in Illinois and Indiana), higher oil change costs, DEF fluid, cold-weather concerns, higher purchase price, and the inability to fit a F250 or F350 crew-cab in my garage are all concerns. (The F250 Super Crew is about 6.5 inches longer than an F150 Super Crew with the 6 1/2 foot bed).

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since your all about numbers, you should do the math on what it costs per mile to drive. Diesel will always be cheaper. 29 cents more per gallon to get 1/3 better fuel economy makes good sense to me. Since your a salesman, you would use that stance yourself if you were selling trucks.
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since your all about numbers, you should do the math on what it costs per mile to drive. Diesel will always be cheaper. 29 cents more per gallon to get 1/3 better fuel economy makes good sense to me. Since your a salesman, you would use that stance yourself if you were selling trucks.
Your premise is correct if comparing a 6.2 gas F250 with a diesel F250.

But, when I get 18.5 mpg with a F150 Heavy Duty Payload Package truck and pay $2.30 for gas, it makes no savings at all to drive a diesel F250 and get 18 mpg with $2.60 diesel. Especially since my F150 HDPP truck may well have higher payload than an F250 diesel truck (depending on trim level and options).
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Your premise is correct if comparing a 6.2 gas F250 with a diesel F250.

But, when I get 18.5 mpg with a F150 Heavy Duty Payload Package truck and pay $2.30 for gas, it makes no savings at all to drive a diesel F250 and get 18 mpg with $2.60 diesel. Especially since my F150 HDPP truck may well have higher payload than an F250 diesel truck (depending on trim level and options).

Ok..
Then skip the 250, and go to the 350.


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For 2016 the 6.2 Gas V-8 has 385 HP an 405 pounds of torque. For 2016 the 3.5 EcoBoost has 365 HP and 405 pounds of torque.
I think you meant that the 3.5 EcoBoost has 420 lbs of torque? And that's at 2,500 RPM. And for 2017, the 3.5 Ecoboost will be 450 lbs of torque.

The EcoBoost will also produce its torque at a lower RPM than the 6.2. 90% of maximum torque is available at 1,800 RPM. The 6.2 doesn't reach maximum torque until 4,500 RPM. To me, it's not only the maximum torque but the shape of the torque curve. Forced induction engines will almost always win that contest.
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I see people still don't get the difference between an F150 and a Super Duty.

Even a max tow/heavy duty payload F150 is still a semi floater axle truck, with smaller stuff than a Super Duty.

An F150 is at its limits with these numbers and weights. A Super Duty is tougher than its doors stickers show. The door stickers on an F150 are very generous. The door stickers on a Super Duty are a handicap.

Hitch up a 12,000 lb trailer to an F150 and another identical 12,000 lb trailer to a Super Duty (F250 to be fair) and take then for a drive. If you can't tell the difference you aren't paying attention.


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I see people still don't get the difference between an F150 and a Super Duty.


Hitch up a 12,000 lb trailer to an F150 and another identical 12,000 lb trailer to a Super Duty (F250 to be fair) and take then for a drive. If you can't tell the difference you aren't paying attention.


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This sums it up best!!! Been there, done that! I now drive a 2500 series.
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The door stickers on an F150 are very generous. The door stickers on a Super Duty are a handicap.

Hitch up a 12,000 lb trailer to an F150 and another identical 12,000 lb trailer to a Super Duty (F250 to be fair) and take then for a drive. If you can't tell the difference you aren't paying attention.
My 2011 Ram 2500 CC has a payload of 3,000 but a tow rating of only 9,100 & GCVW of only 15,000. The very next year they upped the tow rating to 11,100 & GCVW to 17,000 with minimal changes to design... IMO they wrote the specs conservative as to not take-away sales from their more pricey diesel upgrades... So, as it stands, I actually have a lower tow rating & GCVW than some 1/2 tons...

However, IMO I can operate very near GCVW without feeling I am pushing my truck. Recently I had to make an emergency stop behind a state highway patrol car that came to a complete stop on the interstate - when he noticed a gate blocked his turn-around spot... Nearly hit him with 7.5 tons but the 2500 kept everything under control for a super-fast emergency stop from 65 mph on an interstate...

I used to tow construction gear with various 1/2, 3/4 & 1 ton trucks & we could routinely push the 3/4 & 1 ton trucks to their limits daily & they drove & held-up great. When we pushed the 1/2 tons to their limits we had safety & mechanical issues. Most notably heavier trailers push the lighter 1/2 tons around during emergency stopping. You can't always predict how the TT brakes will handle in wet road conditions, etc. & sometimes you get more trailer pushing against you than you expect...
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