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Old 08-24-2016, 01:15 PM   #11
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As you have found, the 3/4 tons and their "paper" GVWR of 10,000 lbs really limits payload.

However, once you understand your F250 is identical to an F350 (with the possible exception of 4" blocks under the spring pack), you will realize you have much more real-world payload capacity.

It is simply a matter of: do you care about the GVWR or not.


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I want to stay legal but I would not worry about going over the GVWR by a small percentage. BTW I do have the 4" blocks under the spring pack.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:18 PM   #12
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Zoom. If you're trying to be 100% exact on your weights, standing on the scales throws it off a little bit for your axle weights. To me, axle weights are the most important thing.

If you were standing on a scale, your body weight went to the overall weight but also only the axle weight of the scale you were on. So if you were on the front scale, your front axle isn't quite as high as it read.

Maybe take 110 lbs. off the scale your were standing on and add it to the other. It still leaves your overall weight the same.

Not trying to be a stickler. But if you're being as attentive as to fill it with fuel, etc., that could effect your numbers a little.
You are correct. I believe the scale operator weighed the truck before I got back into the cab.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:24 PM   #13
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Thanks for the weight info. I have only been here a short time but have learned that if you are thinking of upgrading to a 5er you need a 350.
You are welcome! One thing I have learned is to weigh the truck during a test drive. By using the Ford info my truck as is (I can subtract my add-ons) should have weighed about 300 lbs less than my calculated actual weight.
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Very interesting, but very much in line to what I have seen myself. I had a F250 diesel 2012, crew cab, king Ranch 4 wheels drive, and the CAT scale weight with hitch and 2 passengers was 8470 lbs, which gave me 1530 lbs of payload available for my Fifth wheel.
Conclusion: not a good combination to tow a FW. I changed It for a F350, with 1500 lbs more GVWR.
The 3 options that hurt the payload are: diesel (400 lbs min), 4 wheels drive, and crew cab. The best F 250 for payload is a gaz engine, 2 wheels drive, regular cab. Welcome in the world of Good WT (working truck).

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Old 08-24-2016, 05:04 PM   #15
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You are right on.... I have a 2016 F-250 extended cab, 2 wd, 6.2 gas. This truck has a payload capacity of 3,300 lbs. And a tow capacity of 12,600 lbs. I currently tow a Windjammer 3029 TT, but plan to move up to a 5th wheel in the future.

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Old 08-24-2016, 05:24 PM   #16
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Remember that axle weights are static weights, that is why the GVWR is below the axle ratings.

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No, they are not static weights.

If your rear GAWR is 6,100 lbs, you can put the whole 6,100 on the rear axle and head down the road. Of course your front axle can't be loaded to max in order to stay under GVWR.

GVWR has a lot of factors. For 3/4 ton trucks, the 10,000 GVWR is to keep it a class 2 truck. 10,001 would be a class 3 truck. There are many other reasons that go into GVWR. Braking system, engine, transmission, classifications, etc., etc., etc.

The GAWR are actual "what the axle is rated to handle". This is why I pay attention to the GAWR's and max tire load... and don't worry about GVWR. Others may care, I do not and don't sweat it.

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So explain why on my F350 that class 3 truck and can have a GVWR as high as 14,000 lbs they don't rate to axle ratings. I have 11,500 GVWR which is about 450 to 500 below my 7,000 lbs axle ratings. With the wars going on between the big three in who has the Best In Class Payload it would easy to up it to the axle ratings if it was safe to do.


By the way I did just make that up, I ask that question on tour of the Ford plant and that what they told us.



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No, they are not static weights.

If your rear GAWR is 6,100 lbs, you can put the whole 6,100 on the rear axle and head down the road. Of course your front axle can't be loaded to max in order to stay under GVWR.

GVWR has a lot of factors. For 3/4 ton trucks, the 10,000 GVWR is to keep it a class 2 truck. 10,001 would be a class 3 truck. There are many other reasons that go into GVWR. Braking system, engine, transmission, classifications, etc., etc., etc.

The GAWR are actual "what the axle is rated to handle". This is why I pay attention to the GAWR's and max tire load... and don't worry about GVWR. Others may care, I do not and don't sweat it.

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You are right on.... I have a 2016 F-250 extended cab, 2 wd, 6.2 gas. This truck has a payload capacity of 3,300 lbs. And a tow capacity of 12,600 lbs. I currently tow a Windjammer 3029 TT, but plan to move up to a 5th wheel in the future.

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Is that payload capacity on the yellow sticker at the drivers door? The reason I ask is my sticker says 2059 lbs payload but the Ford website rates my truck at 3000 lbs and tow capacity of 14,000 lbs. My truck is highly optioned and that might make a difference.
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Is that payload capacity on the yellow sticker at the drivers door? The reason I ask is my sticker says 2059 lbs payload but the Ford website rates my truck at 3000 lbs and tow capacity of 14,000 lbs. My truck is highly optioned and that might make a difference.
That is the difference between a low option and the high option. The website rates mine at 4050 but the yellow sticker says 3744. Mine is NOT high option truck. To get the tow capacity you need to subtract the weight of YOUR truck ready to camp from the Gross Combine Weight Ratings.
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Someone once told me "you want more truck than trailer", so
I got a good deal on a 2016 F-250 CC 6.2L Gas 3.73 Lariat.
On the maiden voyage I hooked up to my TT, Flagstaff Super Lite 27 BEWS.
The TT I figure is maybe 8000 lbs. fully loaded with the WDH.
I got on a CAT Scale on the way and had 14,460 total. TV full of fuel and TT combined.
Truck is rated for 19,000 lbs. tow capacity. It tows very well and stops safely. I am not planning on an upgrade to the trailer or a 5er.
If I am overloaded on something, I'm all ears.
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