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Old 08-24-2016, 05:51 PM   #21
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That is the difference between a low option and the high option. The website rates mine at 4050 but the yellow sticker says 3744. Mine is NOT high option truck. To get the tow capacity you need to subtract the weight of YOUR truck ready to camp from the Gross Combine Weight Ratings.
I have done just that and my calculated towing capacity is 14,040 lbs. That is my ready to go truck weight with trailer hooked up of 9,460 lbs subtracted from 23,500 GCWR.
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:54 PM   #22
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Let's face it guys. How often do you hear of a truck failure because the camper was too heavy? I have never heard of such but I'm sure its happened "somewhere, sometime".

We've all seen the set-ups. Heck, I saw a late 90s model F150 with a triple-axle Raptor at Willow Tree in SC one time. Although a completely inanimate object, I still felt sorry for that truck.

But as long as the driver has the skills and he doesn't push his luck regarding speed, etc., I see no real evidence of any big risk pushing the truck a little bit past its "numbers".

Now, flame on.
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I started this thread just to post my information and my particular situation. This was not meant to be a judgement on anyone's setup other than mine. If I ask a question it is for my information only. You guys must understand that I am recently retired and have been an electrical engineer for the last 40 years! That makes me want to understand how everything works. I have also been the VP of Engineering of a company for the last 30 years. In that time I have dealt a lot with lawyers and if they have a foothold they will run with it. That is why I want to stay mostly legal.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:16 PM   #24
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I started this thread just to post my information and my particular situation. This was not meant to be a judgement on anyone's setup other than mine. If I ask a question it is for my information only. You guys must understand that I am recently retired and have been an electrical engineer for the last 40 years! That makes me want to understand how everything works. I have also been the VP of Engineering of a company for the last 30 years. In that time I have dealt a lot with lawyers and if they have a foothold they will run with it. That is why I want to stay mostly legal.
I agree and feel the same way. I think everyone should run the numbers and see if they are within specs. The only way you can make intelligent decision about your family safety is with information that is accurate and correct. I could easy load my 5er to exceed my weight ratings but knowing that i know how much weight I can load and where to load it so I under all my specs on my truck.
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:18 PM   #25
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So explain why on my F350 that class 3 truck and can have a GVWR as high as 14,000 lbs they don't rate to axle ratings. I have 11,500 GVWR which is about 450 to 500 below my 7,000 lbs axle ratings. With the wars going on between the big three in who has the Best In Class Payload it would easy to up it to the axle ratings if it was safe to do.


By the way I did just make that up, I ask that question on tour of the Ford plant and that what they told us.

Not sure we may be thinking the same thing when we say static load. Are you saying the GAWR is the weight the axle should experience at most while hitting bumps down the road? I am saying you can put that much weight on them while sitting still. The general public knows nothing about the different concepts, so manufacturers would never base their ratings on that. Anyway...

The sum of GAWR (front + rear) will always be more than the GVWR. If their sum equaled the GVWR, the only way you you could legally achieve GVWR is if the load was distributed EXACTLY among the axles according to their GAWR.

The GAWR is often determined based on their (the rear/front end, axles, springs, etc) ability, independent of the vehicle it is going in.

In essence, the GAWR is based more on science (actual ability). The GVWR has many more factors... some political.

ALL of these ratings have a lot of safety built-in. Based on what we used to haul and tow in the 60's and 70's (we being people in general... not me specifically), these trucks could haul probably 50% more than their ratings and still not break down.


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Old 08-24-2016, 06:23 PM   #26
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I have done just that and my calculated towing capacity is 14,040 lbs. That is my ready to go truck weight with trailer hooked up of 9,460 lbs subtracted from 23,500 GCWR.


That isn't the best way. Achieving GCWR is very difficult without going over payload or the many other ratings.

Increasing trailer weight increases tongue weight, which bites into payload and GVW. Lots of numbers to check...


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That isn't the best way. Achieving GCWR is very difficult without going over payload or the many other ratings.

Increasing trailer weight increases tongue weight, which bites into payload and GVW. Lots of numbers to check...


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I agree! Right now I am under my actual payload by 2 or 3 hundred pounds but I could exceed that quickly if I'm not watching!
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I started this thread just to post my information and my particular situation. This was not meant to be a judgement on anyone's setup other than mine. If I ask a question it is for my information only. You guys must understand that I am recently retired and have been an electrical engineer for the last 40 years! That makes me want to understand how everything works. I have also been the VP of Engineering of a company for the last 30 years. In that time I have dealt a lot with lawyers and if they have a foothold they will run with it. That is why I want to stay mostly legal.
Actually, this is the best forum to discuss this very topic. Over on rv.net, this thread would have gone so ballistic, the moderators would have probably locked it up. I am reading posts on your thread as a few guys sitting around discussing this at the campfire.
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I'm just trying to help. Sometimes my writing may come off harsher than intended.


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If this was in response to me no problem! I think this forum is the best I have found and everyone has a lot of great information. I haven't towed a camper for many years and we are just getting back into it. My plans are to travel the entire western part of the US and Canada starting next year but we already have 15 day of camping this year and just started in June!
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