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Old 08-24-2016, 07:21 PM   #31
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The 3 options that hurt the payload are: diesel (400 lbs min), 4 wheels drive, and crew cab.
Actually, I believe the biggest payload robber is the trim level. My XLT has a payload of almost 3300 lbs. As I've stated before, one has to decide of they want a luxury truck, or a towing rig.
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Old 08-24-2016, 07:48 PM   #32
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Actually, I believe the biggest payload robber is the trim level. My XLT has a payload of almost 3300 lbs. As I've stated before, one has to decide of they want a luxury truck, or a towing rig.


Yup.

What some don't understand is the GVWR remains the same across trims and configurations, unless a change in GVWR is specifically the change.

Heavier truck, less payload.

Regular cab, low trim, short bed, 2wd, gasser... Biggest payload!


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Old 08-24-2016, 08:40 PM   #33
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I disagree with some of the comments concerning buying a gas truck, 2 wheels, reg cab. My F 250 diesel, 4 wheels, crew, King Ranch was weighing 8470 lbs with full tank.
My F 350, same year (2012), same equipment King Ranch weighs 8510 lbs with tank half full...but GVWR of 11500 lbs for the F 350, vs 10000 for the F 250. Those are real weights on the same CAT scale. I traded my F 250 for a F 350 this year, for a truck of same year 2012.
You go with gas your towing capacity goes from 15200 lbs to 12500 lbs. If you want to tow a 12000 lbs fifth wheel (actual weight), buy a F 350. My F250 was towing quite well, but was going down quite a bit even with air lift 1000 air bags. With the F 350, no air bags, barely going down when I hitch. I feel a lot more comfortable, and I keep the diesel power, which I truly appreciate.


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Old 08-24-2016, 09:00 PM   #34
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I disagree with some of the comments concerning buying a gas truck, 2 wheels, reg cab. My F 250 diesel, 4 wheels, crew, King Ranch was weighing 8470 lbs with full tank.

My F 350, same year (2012), same equipment King Ranch weighs 8510 lbs with tank half full...but GVWR of 11500 lbs for the F 350, vs 10000 for the F 250. Those are real weights on the same CAT scale. I traded my F 250 for a F 350 this year, for a truck of same year 2012.

You go with gas your towing capacity goes from 15200 lbs to 12500 lbs. If you want to tow a 12000 lbs fifth wheel (actual weight), buy a F 350. My F250 was towing quite well, but was going down quite a bit even with air lift 1000 air bags. With the F 350, no air bags, barely going down when I hitch. I feel a lot more comfortable, and I keep the diesel power, which I truly appreciate.





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I think you missed the point. For the same truck, say an F350, the lighter the truck, the more payload you will have.

You're comparing apples to oranges when comparing an F250 with an F350 and using their respective GVWR's.

Let's take an F350 with a GVWR of 11,500 lbs. In regular cab, gasser, 2wd, short bed, low trim config, it will be much lighter than an F350 with the same 11,500 GVWR but a diesel 4wd crew cab long bed King Ranch.

Same logic can be applied to an F250.

That is what I meant.

I own an F250 gasser 4wd crew cab short bed so I am in the middle somewhere.


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Old 11-25-2016, 03:53 PM   #35
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F150

We recently looked at some 2017 F150's. The trucks were well optioned that had 2300 LB of payload available as per yellow sticker

Beside them some 2016 F250's with diesels and lots of options with 1905lb of payload as per yellow sticker
Now which would you rather use to pull a 10,000lb 5th wheel?

Apparently, the F150 should on paper handle more weight at least in payload.
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Old 11-25-2016, 06:15 PM   #36
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Here are the real life weights of my 2016 F250 Crew Cab diesel short bed (no trailer) measured just today. I topped off the fuel, stood on the scales with the truck, and the only additional weights not from the factory is a spray in bed liner, a Line-x hard folding tonneau cover, and maybe another 10 pounds under the rear seats. I weigh 215 so that is 65 pounds more than the 150 pounds in the Ford specs. First the specs from the door stickers:


GVWR = 10,000 LB Front GAWR = 5940 LB Rear GAWR = 6100 LB
Recommended Payload = 2059 LB @ 65 PSI cold tire pressure.


Now the CAT weight: Steer Axle = 4980 LB Drive Axle = 3280 LB
Gross Weight = 8260 LB. This is real world weight without my generator, wife, pets, WDH, and tools.


As you can see just forget what a sales rep or factory tells you about towing specs on your vehicle. I am still within the parameters of my loaded toy hauler (1000 lbs. TW) but I have a truck that can haul a lot more than rated and cannot legally use it. If I upgrade in the future I will be out of spec but will have a lot of company on the road.


I know this has been beat to death but I thought someone maybe be interested in real world numbers.
This is really interesting. I've always wondered about this combination. A diesel in a 250/2500 doesn't have a lot of real world payload. Your payload is almost identical to the actual on my F150. Not meant as a slam. Just as "wow" on the reality of the situation. The diesel drivetrain really eats up the payload on the 250/2500. That probably means that many trucks of this specification are overloaded when pulling a 5er.
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Old 11-25-2016, 08:46 PM   #37
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You are right on. A F250 diesel, 4 wheels drive has a lower payload than a F150 (properly equipped for towing). But you have the pulling capability of 15,300 lbs. with the F250 diesel. Keep in mind that a F250 diesel, 2 wheels drive, has a decent payload...4 wheels drive has also a big impact on payload.
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I've always believed payload is a SWAG and pretty much ignore it.
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This is really interesting. I've always wondered about this combination. A diesel in a 250/2500 doesn't have a lot of real world payload. Your payload is almost identical to the actual on my F150. Not meant as a slam. Just as "wow" on the reality of the situation. The diesel drivetrain really eats up the payload on the 250/2500. That probably means that many trucks of this specification are overloaded when pulling a 5er.
You are correct about payload but the 250/2500 diesel will have a GCWR of 23,500 lbs. or more and tow at least 15,000 lbs. On overloading I see many 250/2500 highly optioned trucks towing 38 foot 5ers or more. I would estimate the the most of those I see are over payload by 1000 lbs. or more. I'm not judging it is just an observation.
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You are correct about payload but the 250/2500 diesel will have a GCWR of 23,500 lbs. or more and tow at least 15,000 lbs. On overloading I see many 250/2500 highly optioned trucks towing 38 foot 5ers or more. I would estimate the the most of those I see are over payload by 1000 lbs. or more. I'm not judging it is just an observation.
My 2016 F250 XLT 4x4 6.7 is not highly optioned but towing a 35' 5er was 1100# over payload ~~ that's why I tow with the 2016 F350 Lariet Ultimate 4x4 6.7.
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