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Old 12-11-2015, 06:57 AM   #41
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I think you will see these smaller diesels becoming more popular in the near future. They are costly and fuel is more but in a few years I am sure, to save the polar bears, the emissions control systems will get just as hard on the gasers as the diesels and it will be 250 for diesel and 350 for gas like it used to be back before the def and all that..

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Old 12-12-2015, 03:25 PM   #42
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I'm very interested in this truck. Hoping to find one by year end but what I hear from the dealers I've talked to is that each will get one and then they'll start trickling in around Jan 10-15.
Heard the same thing from the local dealer here. First to hit the lot will be the high trim level Platinum Reserve. They said expect mid to late February for Pro-4x
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:05 PM   #43
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Those little diesel are less capable than V8 offering. The Ram 1/2t eco diesel has less towing capacity than the hemi. Good for economy, not so good for capability.

My guess is in the right vehicle this engine and transmission combo should be able to tow/haul as much as the 6.0/6.2/6.4 V8 gas engines with even better mileage than the 6.6/6.7 diesels.

The big 3 had 4.4-5.0l diesel projects. If I'm not mistaken, this 5.0l cummins in a way grew from works with Ram/Dodge before Ram went in house with the MV diesel.
3.0 liter vs 5.7 liter? Almost twice the displacement is not a comparison.

Both my VM diesels, the 2.8 and 3.0, do a very good job for their size. What I like most is fuel economy.
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:13 PM   #44
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The ram Eco diesel is not meant to pull.
It's for those people who want a truck, but don't need a truck.

Small atv trailer,maybe a sled in the back, etc.
It fills a small need, and allows them to say " best full size fuel economy "


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Old 12-12-2015, 05:17 PM   #45
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The ram Eco diesel is not meant to pull.
It's for those people who want a truck, but don't need a truck.

Small atv trailer,maybe a sled in the back, etc.
It fills a small need, and allows them to say " best full size fuel economy "


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I think the EcoD pulls well for being a 3.0 liter. We have a guy on the forum delivering campers with it, mostly Airstreams.

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I think the EcoD pulls well for being a 3.0 liter. We have a guy on the forum delivering campers with it, mostly Airstreams.

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I meant, it was not made to compete with the hemi.


I had a 3.0l crd in my grand Cherokee. Pulled my TJ on a trailer, just great. Got around 13mpg doing it.


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Old 12-12-2015, 08:41 PM   #47
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What I do hope is that these do sell well and opens the eyes of the big 3 that something between a V8 and big diesel is wanted. If this motor is dependable I'd like one in a true 3/4t with 2500lbs payload and 14k towing. I know they were all 3 working on midsized diesels at one point but shelved the projects when emission regs made them not as efficient as hoped and almost as pricey as the larger ones.
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I guess you hadn't noticed that 2 of the big 3 do have smaller diesels? Dodge has had one for a little over a year, and Gm has had one in the colorado and canyon for several months. I was at a gm dealer the same day the first one hit their lot.
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Those little diesel are less capable than V8 offering. The Ram 1/2t eco diesel has less towing capacity than the hemi. Good for economy, not so good for capability.

My guess is in the right vehicle this engine and transmission combo should be able to tow/haul as much as the 6.0/6.2/6.4 V8 gas engines with even better mileage than the 6.6/6.7 diesels.

The big 3 had 4.4-5.0l diesel projects. If I'm not mistaken, this 5.0l cummins in a way grew from works with Ram/Dodge before Ram went in house with the MV diesel.
As you can see, my whole point was that the 3.0l was less capable than the hemi where I'd like a diesel option between the 3.0 and 6.7.

310/555 from the 5.0 cummjns is right there power wise with the last gen 5.9l cummins and 6.0 powerstroke. This would be perfect for a true 3/4ton truck. My truck with hemi has a 3100lb payload rating. The 6.7 version is drops to ~2250. This 5.0 weighs 450lbs less than a 6.7 (900 vs 1350) meaning that much more payload before being over rated capacity. Meaning we could tow that 10-12,000lb fifth wheel and still have payload for family or friends.

I also feel that a diesel of this size and output would be perfect for truck campers. They need big payload but don't need 17,000lb towing capacity.
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If Ram Trucks made a 2500 with a 5.0 Cummins as the diesel option, that would be near perfect.

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As you can see, my whole point was that the 3.0l was less capable than the hemi where I'd like a diesel option between the 3.0 and 6.7.

310/555 from the 5.0 cummjns is right there power wise with the last gen 5.9l cummins and 6.0 powerstroke. This would be perfect for a true 3/4ton truck. My truck with hemi has a 3100lb payload rating. The 6.7 version is drops to ~2250. This 5.0 weighs 450lbs less than a 6.7 (900 vs 1350) meaning that much more payload before being over rated capacity. Meaning we could tow that 10-12,000lb fifth wheel and still have payload for family or friends.

I also feel that a diesel of this size and output would be perfect for truck campers. They need big payload but don't need 17,000lb towing capacity.
The thing is they probably wont. I cant remember what the gvwr cutoff is for epa mpg but 3/4 and 1 ton trucks dont have to list/meet them usually. So whats the point. I mean for every person that wants a little higher payload and less power, there are probably dozens that need the power. I know my little 34' old puma 5er i had before, needed the power of a bigger diesel to maintain on hills.
AND the rv towing market is small compared to all the commercial and family use that truck are used for.
Even the gas motors are getting smaller and turbos are getting used more on them.
And the manufacturers have to attain a 52 mpg fleet average by 2025.
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Commercial use of hd/sd is huge out here. Some companies like BNSF never used diesel in their 2500/3500 because they dont tow but have utility boxes and bottom dollar is bottom line. Others have switched from diesel to gas. cost, maintenance, and the 6.0/6.4 powerstroke issues sent them to Gas.

If a midsized diesel isn't too expensive up front, proves reliable, and can cut fuel expenses fleet buyers might look at one over current gas V8.

If the manufacturers think they can make money by offering a choice they likely will, especially if a competitor is cornering the market. Ram just came out with a Ram specific 6.4 hemi to get more of the market. For years they didn't even have a gas engine in the 3500. I live in a small town and already see 10-12 6.4 powered Ram running around.
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