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10-22-2015, 07:29 PM
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Engineer of Crazy Train
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I saw your comment about DEF. What is to be scared about it? You have a gauge. Add some when yhe gauge gets to empty. Depending on your driving, evrry few thousand miles (or KM up there)
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10-22-2015, 07:32 PM
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I have 2015 F350 Diesel that after the discounts I got on the entire truck the 8,500 option cost less than 8,000. I looked up the NADA of 2012 diesel F350 like mine and the just the diesel option added 8200 to the retail price. I then looked up a 2000 that close to the same truck I have and the diesel option added 3200 to the retail price.
To the OP - Gas or Diesel you still need to go with 1 ton, it's not that much more.
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10-22-2015, 07:45 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by aceinspp
I hardly believe the 6mpg unless your doing some heavy mountains. I tow with a 6.0 gas and get 9.4mpg. Just remember diesel guys fuel is not going to stay at $2.30 for ever. What I posted earlier will tell the tale of having to drive 250,00 miles to recoup the cost of diesel and that is if it stays in one piece.
As they say to each his own I'll never own a diesel and as I've said can not justify the high cost and recouping that expense. I trade to often. I like you diesel folks spending other folks money tho. Cool . Later RJD
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I don't trade often last diesel was a 2001 F350 7.3L now have the 2015 3500 Ram dually. Its only job is towing my 5er and has done that for over 4000 miles since Aug. 1st when we got it. 17500 lbs. of 5er with cruise set on 65 getting 10 to 11.4 mpg of diesel mileage. I also added the Aisin transmission that's another $3000 on top of the extra diesel engine price. LOL
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10-22-2015, 07:56 PM
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Georgia Rally Coordinator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mud yapster
I don't trade often last diesel was a 2001 F350 7.3L now have the 2015 3500 Ram dually. Its only job is towing my 5er and has done that for over 4000 miles since Aug. 1st when we got it. 17500 lbs. of 5er with cruise set on 65 getting 10 to 11.4 mpg of diesel mileage. I also added the Aisin transmission that's another $3000 on top of the extra diesel engine price. LOL
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Basically you need that truck for the load. Most folks not going that big. So how many miles on the 2001? The only reason I trade a lot is I get good money on my trucks and I just can't see giving my hard earned cash to my kids I earned my retirement and I'm going to enjoy. I earned going to spend. Later RJD
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10-22-2015, 08:03 PM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aceinspp
Basically you need that truck for the load. Most folks not going that big. So how many miles on the 2001? The only reason I trade a lot is I get good money on my trucks and I just can't see giving my hard earned cash to my kids I earned my retirement and I'm going to enjoy. I earned going to spend. Later RJD
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140,000 miles on the old Ford. I earned my money also and I enjoy spending the fruit of my labors. No ones gives me a dime I haven't earned myself.
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10-22-2015, 08:45 PM
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MCTroy
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Troy.Ohio
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We really like our Ram Big Horn 2500. We still like gas because it is quieter and easier for us to maintain. This truck doesn't know our TT is back there. However, we did notice it would be easier to pull through a truck stop and get diesel, than trying to maneuver around the little cars at the gas pumps. Just wish there was a really quiet diesel out there.
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10-22-2015, 08:51 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Southeast PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MCTroy
Just wish there was a really quiet diesel out there.
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Have you looked at a current GM or Ford diesel truck? You barely know they're diesel standing right next to them. Inside they're probably both quieter than a gasser pulling a hill at 4000 rpm.................
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10-22-2015, 09:05 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Southeast PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OntarioFireFighter
Well, if appears Ford's back in the running...
Amazing what a phone call, and saying "I went to the Dodge dealer yesterday..." can do.
2015 350 SRW
6.7 Diesel
FX4 package, dressed up nicer then I wanted, to be honest... for 58k
Payload of 3424#, towing 15.7k...
Hmmm...
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Just an FYI, as said before that payload is misleading. That truck will tip the scale around 8400 with the 5th hitch and a full tank of diesel. Realistic payload is around 3k. I paid 56k for my dually (lariat) and love having the extra capacity, and being able to fill the fresh tank (100g) and not worry about if the tires are overloaded are not.
IMO given any pin over 2500 I'd consider a dually. You already said it won't be a DD.............I'm not sure why so many people are scared of them, but then again I'm not sure why so many people insist on buying a truck that will just be enough. Personally, I'd rather, and do, have too much truck. The more tires to replace argument no longer adds up as 6 17's and 4 20's come out pretty much a wash. And while a lot of people think duallies cost more that's a myth too. I priced both ways, the dually gained me 2500# payload for $1000 less than SRW.
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10-22-2015, 09:19 PM
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Member
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New Deisels are quite
My new Ram 3500 is very quite - very quite going up those very steep hills and running down the road, turning 1800 RPM versus 5200 in a gasser. Do your home work and the new age diesels are the way to go. Take a test drive - pick your favorite make - Ram , Ford , GMC - they are all very quite.
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10-22-2015, 09:35 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lynn brownlee
My new Ram 3500 is very quite - very quite going up those very steep hills and running down the road, turning 1800 RPM versus 5200 in a gasser. Do your home work and the new age diesels are the way to go. Take a test drive - pick your favorite make - Ram , Ford , GMC - they are all very quite.
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10-22-2015, 10:01 PM
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This coming from a service director of 2 different Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram dealerships, I see a handful of 6.4 2500 trucks from time to time a lot of 6.7 Cummins trucks. I am fortunate enough to be in a situation to buy what I want (mainly due to E.P. purchase price), and I drive a 15' 2500 Laramie 4wd w/a Cummins. Our Puma Unleashed 351THSS is really light for a 5th wheel and the Cummins handles the load really well but I wouldn't think of trying to do it with a 392 gas truck. The 392 was a grossly under engineered project IMO that is OK IF you are wanting a HD truck just because you want a HD truck and don't plan on doing anything with it. EVER. The 392 is in a strain just moving the weight of the truck much less pulling a 5th wheel with it. Yes, you get a 5/60 powertrain warranty, but what good is it if it's always in the shop with valvetrain issues? I forsee a ton of bent pushrods due to the towing capacity of the truck vs what it really should be used for.
Long story short, IF you are going to commit to a HD truck, get all in or stay out of the game. I am NOT trying to offend anyone here, but don't want to see anyone here make a decision and then get hung out to dry when they realize its the wrong decision. The re-sale value on a 392 2500 truck is going to have to be so bad that it WILL make the record books! GM is the only company I know of that has built tons of gas powered HD trucks, sold them, and kept the re-sale book value half way decent. Ram WILL get there someday, but IMO its too early for that to happen.
I sincerely hope I am helping you make a good decision.
Gil
ps-silly season for buying HD trucks starts next month! I ALWAYS trade every November for a very good reason. $$$ lol Find the truck you really want, call several dealers until someone whips out a invoice to let you see, then offer them a really fast and easy 1000.00 profit. Someone WILL take your 1000.00 profit and be damn glad to do it.
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10-22-2015, 10:07 PM
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Member
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Agree
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10-22-2015, 11:50 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny kustom
So you are over your gvwr.
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10-23-2015, 05:28 AM
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MCTroy
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Troy.Ohio
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I agree the new diesel trucks are much quieter than their older versions. And I am sure inside you don't hear the engine any more than a gas one. We just spent a week camping where a variety of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks were parked around us. You knew when the diesels started every morning. Still louder when they are idling getting hooked up. Maybe it is some of the owners that just leave them running to warm up that is the problem and not the trucks.
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10-23-2015, 06:44 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gilwilliams101
This coming from a service director of 2 different Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram dealerships, I see a handful of 6.4 2500 trucks from time to time a lot of 6.7 Cummins trucks. I am fortunate enough to be in a situation to buy what I want (mainly due to E.P. purchase price), and I drive a 15' 2500 Laramie 4wd w/a Cummins. Our Puma Unleashed 351THSS is really light for a 5th wheel and the Cummins handles the load really well but I wouldn't think of trying to do it with a 392 gas truck. The 392 was a grossly under engineered project IMO that is OK IF you are wanting a HD truck just because you want a HD truck and don't plan on doing anything with it. EVER. The 392 is in a strain just moving the weight of the truck much less pulling a 5th wheel with it. Yes, you get a 5/60 powertrain warranty, but what good is it if it's always in the shop with valvetrain issues? I forsee a ton of bent pushrods due to the towing capacity of the truck vs what it really should be used for..
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Thanks - this is the kind of info I really need...
I don't have much experience with Dodge (as mentioned, I'm a Ford guy, generally) - hearing the 6.4 isn't a strong plant; well, that's good to know!
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10-23-2015, 07:03 AM
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Georgia Rally Coordinator
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Location: GA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MCTroy
I agree the new diesel trucks are much quieter than their older versions. And I am sure inside you don't hear the engine any more than a gas one. We just spent a week camping where a variety of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks were parked around us. You knew when the diesels started every morning. Still louder when they are idling getting hooked up. Maybe it is some of the owners that just leave them running to warm up that is the problem and not the trucks.
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Still can't get away from the smell either Later RJD
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Traded 2015 30WRLIKS V-Lite
Days camped 2019 62
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10-23-2015, 07:03 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ferguson65
Just an FYI, as said before that payload is misleading. That truck will tip the scale around 8400 with the 5th hitch and a full tank of diesel. Realistic payload is around 3k. I paid 56k for my dually (lariat) and love having the extra capacity, and being able to fill the fresh tank (100g) and not worry about if the tires are overloaded are not.
IMO given any pin over 2500 I'd consider a dually. You already said it won't be a DD.............I'm not sure why so many people are scared of them, but then again I'm not sure why so many people insist on buying a truck that will just be enough. Personally, I'd rather, and do, have too much truck. The more tires to replace argument no longer adds up as 6 17's and 4 20's come out pretty much a wash. And while a lot of people think duallies cost more that's a myth too. I priced both ways, the dually gained me 2500# payload for $1000 less than SRW.
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It won't be used as a grocery getter; but it is still going to be my daily personal vehicle...
The size of the dually (both width, and length; as the DRW are only available on long-box trucks) does become an issue for running around town, parking, etc.
They have a place, no argument - and for a dedicated TV, it would be an easier sell... But for the limited miles we do (like I said, this year was 2200 miles - next year, probably be closer to 5000), and the SRW - while close to the limit, will have 'enough' payload... Plus there's the wife-factor. She's iffy on the 350, to start with.
I'm going to go look at an F350 SRW today; and they have a DRW on the lot, that I may take for a spin...
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10-23-2015, 07:06 AM
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Georgia Rally Coordinator
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I like theses threads that start out gas and go full blowen diesel Anybody got more popcorn? Later RJD
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Traded 2015 30WRLIKS V-Lite
Days camped 2019 62
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10-23-2015, 07:19 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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True enough...
Don't forget the SRW/DRW argument, too!
I have realized that a 250/2500 won't have enough payload for the trailer and stuff... So I'll buy into that one - looking at actual door stickers, compared to the reported numbers, has been a bit of an eye opener.
Still not sold on a diesel, but a 350/3500 gasser seems to be a rare beast; and hearing that the 6.4 isn't a well liked engine by service people, does carry some weight, steering me away from Dodge.
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10-23-2015, 07:23 AM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OntarioFireFighter
Thanks - this is the kind of info I really need...
I don't have much experience with Dodge (as mentioned, I'm a Ford guy, generally) - hearing the 6.4 isn't a strong plant; well, that's good to know!
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The 6.4 is a strong mill. In fact, the Hellcat motor uses the same block. They chose it for the hellcat because it was developed stronget to withstand higher duty cycles for the segment.
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