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Old 09-05-2016, 09:33 PM   #41
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It's a diesel....It'll pull anything!

He said, tongue in cheek! It was just a joke....I was just kidding around!
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:55 AM   #42
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I guess the question I ask you is this, what do you consider a low payload capacity?

You should have a slew of 5ers that fall into spec.

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Old 09-16-2016, 07:10 AM   #43
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I guess the question I ask you is this, what do you consider a low payload capacity?



You should have a slew of 5ers that fall into spec.



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In my case I have 2065 cargo. A 10000 lb 5er is at the edge depending on actual pin weight. The one I have ordered is 9500-10000. I don't know yet. I am gonna hook up and pull it and be happy. I plan on scaling it...not for the truck...for the tires/axles. The TV is 23500 gross the truck weighs 6800 GVW of 10000. The way I see it I got 3200 worth of cargo and 13000 worth of towing. I will be way under that.

BTW. I see lots of rigs on here that have to be grossly overloaded. I will be fine.


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At 10k on the 5er yout should be well under your rigs rating. I think there are many set ups out there that don't look at the numbers.

You'll be very pleased with how your truck pulls a 10k 5er.

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Old 09-20-2016, 02:06 PM   #45
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I have basically the same truck. It's a 2015.

My door sticker has my front axle @ 6000 lbs and my rear axle at 6500 lbs.
Tires are rated @ 3640 lbs.
So combined axle rating is 12500 lbs and combined tire rating is 14560 lbs.

The only difference between the 2500 and 3500 are coil vs leaf springs.

I've put 3k in the bed and my truck sits level.

So yeah the 10k gross is just a paper thing.

BTW my curb weight with just me in the drivers seat is 8040 lbs Cat Scale certified.
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Old 09-21-2016, 09:04 AM   #46
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I found this article online that may explain why the 10K is just a paper thang. Re-rating GVWR: Why and How it's Done - Article - Work Truck

And I quote page 2:

Re-rating GVWR: Why and How it's Done

March 2008, Work Truck - Feature
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Driver Logbooks Required

Beattie and Chew noted their greatest involvement comes with vehicles rated at 10,000 lbs. and under. With heavy and medium trucks, VSOs are now set up to accommodate the special GVW ratings. One requirement for vehicles over 10,000 GVW is that the drivers maintain comprehensive logbooks.
So, according to Chew, "The customer might say 'I'm willing to give up the payload capacity. I really don't need it. I want you to de-rate the vehicle. I'm happy to have all the components that allow me to have that much capacity, but I want a vehicle that's rated at 10,000 lbs. or less, so I can avoid maintaining logbooks and some of the other markings that must be on the vehicle.' "
He added the logbook and vehicle marking issues are the main reasons, over the past few years, the VSO group has been asked to do a 10,000 lb. de-rate from a higher GVWR either 11,500 or 10,700 lbs."
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What they are saying is the 3500 can be de-rated down to 10,000 gvwr from as high as 12,300 and even be a class 2 truck instead of class 3. They not talking about de-rating a 2500 series truck. Yes that is a paper work and check in the box but it limits them to those ratings.

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I found this article online that may explain why the 10K is just a paper thang. Re-rating GVWR: Why and How it's Done - Article - Work Truck

And I quote page 2:

Re-rating GVWR: Why and How it's Done

March 2008, Work Truck - Feature
by Paul Dexler - Also by this author



Driver Logbooks Required

Beattie and Chew noted their greatest involvement comes with vehicles rated at 10,000 lbs. and under. With heavy and medium trucks, VSOs are now set up to accommodate the special GVW ratings. One requirement for vehicles over 10,000 GVW is that the drivers maintain comprehensive logbooks.
So, according to Chew, "The customer might say 'I'm willing to give up the payload capacity. I really don't need it. I want you to de-rate the vehicle. I'm happy to have all the components that allow me to have that much capacity, but I want a vehicle that's rated at 10,000 lbs. or less, so I can avoid maintaining logbooks and some of the other markings that must be on the vehicle.' "
He added the logbook and vehicle marking issues are the main reasons, over the past few years, the VSO group has been asked to do a 10,000 lb. de-rate from a higher GVWR — either 11,500 or 10,700 lbs."
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At 10k on the 5er yout should be well under your rigs rating. I think there are many set ups out there that don't look at the numbers.

You'll be very pleased with how your truck pulls a 10k 5er.

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Thank you. I had an 11k before. It did fine and dandy. No problems tow or stop. Just want to keep the "police" happy.


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I love these threads. Pure entertainment.
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I love these threads. Pure entertainment.
X2!!! The weight police would have everybody pulling a pop-up with a semi But hey... it makes 'em feel better calculating all the numbers. I'll take RL experience and logic over all the paperwork any day. I believe the payload figure is basically a made up number so I ignore it and look at how the truck sits once it's loaded. When traveling for NASCAR with wood, extra fuel, extra water, ice chests, and generators in the bed I'm about 900lb over payload if I follow the BS calculations. And the stock truck is still sitting above level. So now I'm prepared to get all the BS kickback about legal crap, endangering everybody on the road, stopping distances, and breaking your truck
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