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Old 06-03-2016, 07:53 AM   #11
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For sheet aluminum to be as strong as steel, it'd have to be pretty thick. Physics.
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Old 06-03-2016, 09:33 AM   #12
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once I saw it, I bought a 2016 F350. Maybe it will grow on me over time, but not a fan right now. Like some of the features, except the aluminum.
We went and looked at a '17 at the auto show. It was a pre-production truck and the cab was locked up, but I thought it looks much better in person. The headlights are a little funky, but otherwise I really like it.

Gets the bigger back seat in the crew cab from the F-150, bigger fuel tank - 48 gallons on the CCLB, camera package including one on the back of the trailer, trailer TPMS, SYNC3. Lots to like - everything but the price.

I imagine there will be some pretty killer incentives on the last of 2016's, but hard to resist waiting for the '17.

Going to test drive one in July and decide what to do...
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We went and looked at a '17 at the auto show. It was a pre-production truck and the cab was locked up, but I thought it looks much better in person. The headlights are a little funky, but otherwise I really like it.

Gets the bigger back seat in the crew cab from the F-150, bigger fuel tank - 48 gallons on the CCLB, camera package including one on the back of the trailer, trailer TPMS, SYNC3. Lots to like - everything but the price.

I imagine there will be some pretty killer incentives on the last of 2016's, but hard to resist waiting for the '17.

Going to test drive one in July and decide what to do...
I was thinking the same about the 16's hmmm what to do. I was burnt in the past by a "first year" update that was a nightmare, so I'm leary of them.
To be honest I'm looking at all of the big 3 so this makes it even more challenging of a decision
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Old 06-03-2016, 10:41 AM   #14
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I was thinking the same about the 16's hmmm what to do. I was burnt in the past by a "first year" update that was a nightmare, so I'm leary of them.
To be honest I'm looking at all of the big 3 so this makes it even more challenging of a decision
I'm thinking the risk of the first model year isn't too big. The major change is the aluminum body, but they did that 2 years ago on the F-150. I can't believe Ford would have made a multi-billion dollar bet on the aluminum switch if they had any doubts about long term durability. The engines are all the same, probably with some tweaks to boost the ratings, and most of the high tech additions are things that are already on other vehicles.

The F-150 rollout went pretty smooth so I'm optimistic the Super Duty will go OK as well. The last '16 rolls off the line this month and the first '17 is only something like 2-3 weeks later.

The price is the big hang-up for me. Looks like from the order guide they didn't bump the MSRP that much, but the dealer invoice price got a significant bump, so the discount from sticker is going to drop and the actual out-the-door price looks like it gets a hefty bump.

My plan A was replace the '05 F-150 with a '15 or '16 new F-150. Then got looking at prices, and a 3/4 ton gasser was about the same price (with a lot more payload) as a new F-150 so that was plan B. Then they rolled out the '17 in September and so wait for that was plan C. And now some local dealers are flush with used '15 F-150's they are getting out of Canada at very attractive prices. So that is plan D. But can't bring myself to do it without waiting to see an actual Super Duty. I think the 3/4 ton would be the better long term investment.

So many choices - and that's without even throwing the other brands into the mix.
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I'm thinking the risk of the first model year isn't too big. The major change is the aluminum body, but they did that 2 years ago on the F-150. I can't believe Ford would have made a multi-billion dollar bet on the aluminum switch if they had any doubts about long term durability. The engines are all the same, probably with some tweaks to boost the ratings, and most of the high tech additions are things that are already on other vehicles.

The F-150 rollout went pretty smooth so I'm optimistic the Super Duty will go OK as well. The last '16 rolls off the line this month and the first '17 is only something like 2-3 weeks later.

The price is the big hang-up for me. Looks like from the order guide they didn't bump the MSRP that much, but the dealer invoice price got a significant bump, so the discount from sticker is going to drop and the actual out-the-door price looks like it gets a hefty bump.

My plan A was replace the '05 F-150 with a '15 or '16 new F-150. Then got looking at prices, and a 3/4 ton gasser was about the same price (with a lot more payload) as a new F-150 so that was plan B. Then they rolled out the '17 in September and so wait for that was plan C. And now some local dealers are flush with used '15 F-150's they are getting out of Canada at very attractive prices. So that is plan D. But can't bring myself to do it without waiting to see an actual Super Duty. I think the 3/4 ton would be the better long term investment.

So many choices - and that's without even throwing the other brands into the mix.
Good points about the 17....the deal on the 16's may be too good to pass up ...decisions, decisions, decisions.

Did I mention I hate vehicle shopping???
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Just looked at the order guides again:
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The F250 is stuck with 10,000 GVWR
It will stay this way, too. Has nothing to do with actual capability of the 250, they need a SuperDuty offering that stays under the 10K number for registration and insurance purposes.
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It will stay this way, too. Has nothing to do with actual capability of the 250, they need a SuperDuty offering that stays under the 10K number for registration and insurance purposes.
With a click of the box you can order a F350 with a 10,000 GVWR all the way up to 11,500 (at least this year). Won't that work for registration and insurance purposes?
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I'm thinking the risk of the first model year isn't too big. The major change is the aluminum body, but they did that 2 years ago on the F-150. I can't believe Ford would have made a multi-billion dollar bet on the aluminum switch if they had any doubts about long term durability. The engines are all the same, probably with some tweaks to boost the ratings, and most of the high tech additions are things that are already on other vehicles.

The F-150 rollout went pretty smooth so I'm optimistic the Super Duty will go OK as well. The last '16 rolls off the line this month and the first '17 is only something like 2-3 weeks later.

The price is the big hang-up for me. Looks like from the order guide they didn't bump the MSRP that much, but the dealer invoice price got a significant bump, so the discount from sticker is going to drop and the actual out-the-door price looks like it gets a hefty bump.

My plan A was replace the '05 F-150 with a '15 or '16 new F-150. Then got looking at prices, and a 3/4 ton gasser was about the same price (with a lot more payload) as a new F-150 so that was plan B. Then they rolled out the '17 in September and so wait for that was plan C. And now some local dealers are flush with used '15 F-150's they are getting out of Canada at very attractive prices. So that is plan D. But can't bring myself to do it without waiting to see an actual Super Duty. I think the 3/4 ton would be the better long term investment.

So many choices - and that's without even throwing the other brands into the mix.

And now some local dealers are flush with used '15 F-150's they are getting out of Canada at very attractive prices. So that is plan D.


That is why I have a F 250. I bought my 2013 King Ranch for 55 k traded 2 years later and got 44 k back. Bought the 250 for 61k. No Brainer for me.
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With a click of the box you can order a F350 with a 10,000 GVWR all the way up to 11,500 (at least this year). Won't that work for registration and insurance purposes?
Possibly, but I don't know all of the idiotic regulations that are out there. Funny that you mention the simple clicking of the box changing the GVWR considering nothing about the truck changes. Kind of indicates that those numbers are pretty pointless and arbitrary, doesn't it.
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