2018 F150 Diesel

[Wobbles]

This thread is heading back into an older thread about Magic Towing Dust.

http://www.forestriverforums.com/for...led-49706.html

[Semperfi24]

Human nature for people to automatically make assumptions on everyone else's behalf. Since this is a forum for towing travel trailers, the discussion is being driven through that prism, and there are valid concerns, but I don't think the towing and payload aspect makes it automatically a stupid idea to offer a diesel. There are thousands and thousands of pick up trucks on the road that have never, and will never tow an rv, boat, utility trailer, etc. A lot of people just like driving a pick up truck. For them, tow rating, pay load, etc, means nothing. If I'm a guy that wants a truck that gets really good fuel economy, and never intend to use it for anything other than picking up a couch from IKEA, a diesel is a better option. I certainly understand the argument that the true truck enthusiast scoff at the guy who treats his truck like its a car, but that's beside the point.


For me, I'm curious what the numbers will be when they are released. Fuel economy for the 2.7 Ecoboost versus the 3.5 Ecoboost versus the diesel. Fuel economy when comparing the 6 speed versus the 10 speed transmission in each engine option (as I understand it, both the 6 speed and 10 speed will be available with all 3 engines, but I could be wrong).


My biggest concern about adding a diesel option does relate to the above discussion about payload and towing capacity and everything else. Because I think there will be a lot of people that see gas versus diesel and make the leap that now my F150 can tow that 40' 5th wheel I've always wanted "cuz its a diesel". Second to that is the fear that all the RV dealers are going to use that very argument, "well of course you can tow that trailer, you've got a diesel". Many dealers already over state your vehicle's abilities as it is.

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by KMP44

Right - but if you take an average half ton with a 1700-1800 lb payload and put a diesel in it, you add 600 pounds to the weight of the truck, which comes off the payload rating. Then you are at 1100-1200 lbs payload. Pretty light, especially for somebody thinking buying a diesel will give them big towing numbers. That's the knock on the Ram eco-diesel and the Titan. Like Miller Time said, these half ton diesels are really about better fuel economy - they aren't tow monsters like the one ton diesels are.

Not sure why Ford went with a diesel option after resisting the idea for so long. Must be they think there is a market for these.

A baby diesel isnt going to weigh 600 lb more, most likely. I bet its equivalent to a v8 gas in weight.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by MillerTime

A baby diesel isnt going to weigh 600 lb more, most likely. I bet its equivalent to a v8 gas in weight.

With a CGI block and aluminum heads, you're probably right about the engine itself. There will be additional weight in DEF and DPF systems, but I doubt it will be more than a couple hundred pounds.

[B and B]

All brands aside. Small Diesel engines in car would be great as well. They have many in Europe and they work just fine.

On to towing. Does anyone here know of the small D Max in the GM midsize truck that has towed with one?

The F 150 with further weight reductions in body and trim level can till have payload respectable and provide a good solution for contractors, service companies and even smaller delivery vehicles with long life durability and lower operating cost compared to larger vans or chassis style vehicles. The small power stroke might fit the niche market quit well.

[BandJCarm]

Why Ford is giving its best-selling F-150 an overhaul

[Rugged Brown]

Originally Posted by KMP44

Not sure why Ford went with a diesel option after resisting the idea for so long. Must be they think there is a market for these.

Might be that the ecoboost was a bust?

[Seachaser186]

Ecoboost a bust, I hardly doubt that. Not sure what planet your from.

[Rugged Brown]

Originally Posted by Seachaser186

I wondering the same thing. My payload is 1830 with the 36 gal. tank. Somebody needs to do their homework.

Originally Posted by Seachaser186

Ecoboost a bust, I hardly doubt that. Not sure what planet your from.

A little testy aren't we?

If you read some of the literature on my planet, you will find that Ford has completely revised the ecoboost for 2018. Don't know about you but my take is that the "old" ecoboost needed a revision.

Nanoo, nanoo

[Seachaser186]

So why is it a bust? The next gen is still going to be called an Ecoboost with more torque and horsepower.

[BandJCarm]

I'm not a Ford guy nor a gearhead......but isn't ecoboost just a turbocharged engine?? Or is there more to it?

[Seachaser186]

They have much higher torque at a lower rpm making them extremely popular in the towing community.

[aceinspp]

Originally Posted by B and B

All brands aside. Small Diesel engines in car would be great as well. They have many in Europe and they work just fine.

On to towing. Does anyone here know of the small D Max in the GM midsize truck that has towed with one?
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Trailer life gave it it good Revue on towing in Cal mountains month or two ago. Later RJD

[KMP44]

Originally Posted by MillerTime

A baby diesel isnt going to weigh 600 lb more, most likely. I bet its equivalent to a v8 gas in weight.

Just doing a quick comparison on the Ram - Hemi vs eco diesel, it looks like the payload drops about 300 pounds. The crew cabs I was looking at had a payload of 1340 lbs. Regardless of whether its actual engine weight or something else dropping the payload - that would be a major drawback for me. People that own them seem very happy with them overall though.

[B and B]

My 2013 Eco Boost towed my current trailer just fine. I traded for A SuperDuty for more payload and better more stable towing.
I hardly think Eco Boost was a bad engine. I believe the negative comment was more a sign of the times on conjecture rather than facts.

[B and B]

Originally Posted by KMP44

Just doing a quick comparison on the Ram - Hemi vs eco diesel, it looks like the payload drops about 300 pounds. The crew cabs I was looking at had a payload of 1340 lbs. Regardless of whether its actual engine weight or something else dropping the payload - that would be a major drawback for me. People that own them seem very happy with them overall though.

A buddy of mine has a hemibin his 1500 and is looking at payload of 1600 lbs after his cap, gear etc he has maybe 1100 left for towing. Add some gear to the Eco and you have less than a 1000 lbs. I talked him out of real world number vs the local Mopar Fiat sales rep saying he would be fine. He really wanted the diesel. Now his plans are to trade his 1500 for a 2500 Cummins next year on his 2007 1500.

[4B11T]

Originally Posted by WFD

He is referring to the payload of the F150...not the Super Duty! Article has to do with adding diesel to the F150 line.

Read my signature! My truck is an f150

[ResQfrog]

Some info on the 2018 F150 line up. All but the base V-6 will be with the 10 speed transmission. This is the 10 speed transmission that Ford & GM developed together.


Ford F-150 gets Power Stroke for 2018 | Medium Duty Work Truck Info

[MillerTime]

Originally Posted by 4B11T

Read my signature! My truck is an f150

Fyi....those of us that use apps for frf cant see signatures that i guess are viewable on a computer screen.
Ive been using the app for 4.5 years on here and there are only about a dozen or so people that have app viewable signatures.

[Mr. Dan]

Originally Posted by MillerTime

Fyi....those of us that use apps for frf cant see signatures that i guess are viewable on a computer screen.
Ive been using the app for 4.5 years on here and there are only about a dozen or so people that have app viewable signatures.

On the green FRF app and the orange Tapatalk app, you can touch a member's avatar and see his/her profile which has signature info. at the bottom.