Here are the updated CAT Scale results from today:
Truck Specs:
GCWR (Gross Combination Weight Ratting) = 11,170 lbs
GVWR = 5,500 lbs
GAWR Axle Front = 2,755 lbs
GAWR Axle Rear = 3,110
Max Tire and Max Cargo = 1,050 lbs
Truck without Toy Hauler:
Front Axle (Steer) = 2,800
Rear Axle (Drive) = 2,320
Toy Hauler (Trailer) = 0
Gross Weight = 5,120
Truck with Toy Hauler (Dry from the Dealer - 1 Battery, 2 20lb Propane tanks filled, Water Tank Empty):
Front Axle (Steer) = 2,540
Rear Axle (Drive) = 3,420
Toy Hauler (Trailer) = 4,300
Gross Weight = 10,260
Truck with Toy Hauler (With Can-Am Spyder and Yamaha R1 - Water Tank Empty):
Front Axle (Steer) = 2,580
Rear Axle (Drive) = 2,840
Toy Hauler (Trailer) = 5,100
Gross Weight = 10,520
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One thing looks strange to me, the difference in scale weight for the trailer and truck straight from the dealer shows a gross weight of 10,260. The gross weight of the trailer and truck with the Spyder (+699 lbs, and R1 +425 lbs) shows 10,520. That is only an added weight of 260 lbs yet the Spyder and R1 weight 1,124 lbs +/-. So where is the missing 880 lbs go? I didn’t take anything out of the trailer or truck between the weights. The truck and trailer were on the same spot on the scale between the two weights....
Strange.
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I'm pretty confused on that last weigh-in, myself. I could understand some weight being unloaded from the front axle and moved elsewhere; I'd still expect to see it reflected in the gross combined weight. Very strange. Hopefully some of the bumper pull folks show up.
I think a good exercise for you, once you figure that out is to determine your actual tongue weight. Seeing the incredible difference in the rear axle weights makes me worry about it being too low. As I mentioned, I had my old Durango yanked around on the highway once- scared me pretty bad.
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No matter how it's loaded you have to have the 880 # somewhere. It can't disappear.
Something went weird at the scale, it would be worth a re-weight with and without the bikes.
You gained 800 on the trailer but lost 600 on the rear axle, did you maybe catch an edge of the scale or scale plate
Nope, I looked and made sure it was all on the scale. I might go back this weekend and redo them both.
I have a feeling the middle one (from the dealer without the R1 and Spyder) is off.
Because that would mean that dry weight of the trailer would be about 5,200 lbs and the sticker (with the current options on the toy hauler) says about 4,300. Then you add the battery and 2 x 20lb tank that would bring it up to maybe 4,400 max.
So that is a differance of +740ish lbs that is being reported from the CAT Scale (2nd image, dry) that are not accounted for and should not be there.
I would guess the scale house would like to have it brought up to them. Take your slips and explain it. There might be a manager who listens.
If you do re-weigh, make sure you do all 3 weightings (with spring bars and without them and then just truck) so you can calculate your tongue weight.
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The dry weight and delivery weight can be significantly different. What does the yellow sticker in the door (or cabinet) show? that sticker is more accurate than the fictitional dry weight in the brochure. The yellow sticker is a weight as it leaves the factory with options.
Right off the bat I can tell you that you are way over on gvwr. You gvwr of 5500 lbs -scaled truck weight of 5120 lbs gives you 380 lbs of available payload. The tongue weight must be subtracted from the payload. your tongue weight is way higher than that.
Doing the math on the second weight sheet shows a dry weight of 5140 lbs for the trailer of which 840 lbs has been placed on the trucks payload (460 lbs over your available payload). You are over your RAWR with this one but looks as though the wdh can be adjusted to move more weight off the rear axle and onto the front axle.
Doing the math on your third ticket (loaded TH)... you appear to have a loaded trailer weight of 5400 lbs of which only 300 lbs are on the TV. This time some of the extra weight on the rear axle has been off loaded by too much weight in the rear and not enough tongue weight. Too little tongue weight will give you a sway condition.
While only a 300 lb overall trailer weight gain doesn't make sense to me, I do think you need to put more weight in the front of your trailer to achieve at least 13% tongue weight and then adjust your wdh. One thing that might account for odd numbers are if you didn't have the same amount of fuel in the tank for each weighing (ie full tank vs half tank) and number of passengers, gear etc changed. also did you make any adjustments to the wdh in between weighings?
Fuel in the tank was the same, I went 5 miles home, loaded and 5 miles back to the Scale.
Same people and gear on both weighs, Literally I weighted, went home, loaded the Spyder and bike and went back, nothing changed.
WDH stayed the same between the two weighs.
The 4300 dry lbs. is the yellow sticker on the unit, not the broacher. That is why I think the 2nd image weight is wrong somehow.
I think the WDH is still not set up correctly from the dealer though because after they set it up at the dealer, my rear end was about 1" lower then the front so I had to set my rear air bags to 40psi to level the truck. I thought the WDH would set the truck back to the way the truck was before it was installed (level).
I do plan on getting a tongue scale to get the weight to 13-14% one of these days.
Air bags are something I have zero experience with. This is a thread on setting up a wdh. Not sure how to play with air bags in that. I have dealt with load leveling suspension but that is completely different.
on a side note : 2013 Tacoma uses the J2807 standard that accounts for 300lbs of people in the truck and full fluids.
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I have read a handfull of WDH manuals, most say to adjust your hitch with the bags deflated and then adjust pressures afterwards.
might be worth scaling the individual axles on the trailer as well.
Although you could get more weight put on the front axle and get closer to the unloaded weight of it, helping level the truck some more, i don't think I would want to remove anymore weight from the rear axle
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Not cutting it for you???
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Sad News but I will be selling my 2013 Tacoma and getting a 2013 F-150 Platnium with EcoBoost (with the max tow package) so I can tow up to 11,300lbs.
Tough choice, man! But, bear in mind that 11,300 number isn't the critical one, you'll likely never hit it before running out of payload- pay attention to the GVWR and available payload of the truck you're looking for, especially if you plan on carrying the bike (was it?) in the bed of the truck.
Of course, we wanna see pics of the new ride when you get it!
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I think the GVWR is 7,600lbs but I wont know till I pick up the truck tomorrow.
I did get the 3.73 Axle Ratio and the Max Tow Package and the Ecoboost
If I recall correctly - there is a Max Tow Package and Max Payload package which are 2 separate things. You know your numbers for how much payload you used on the Tacoma with you, your stuff and the bike for the bed- just check the doorjamb for the cargo carrying capacity and make sure you're set.
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For the Plat, SuperCrew (Short Bed - 145" Wheel Base) 4x4 Echoboost the max is GVWR = 7,650, and Payload = 1900, GCVR = 16,900 all according to the Ford Paperwork. Which is what I got.
well I hate to say it by I'm not surprised by the TV upgrade. That said, I see you already starting to make the same mistakes. Remember the max stated towing capacity is no really your max towing capacity. Go back to running the numbers ahead of time before falling in love with a trailer. when trailer hunting keep the max possible trailer weight and max possible tongue weight below the hand calculated numbers for available payload, towing capacity and rawr. now, the f150 ecoboost with max tow package is showing itself to be a capable tow vehicle and it should handle your new trailer beautifully but if you really want to tow 11000 lbs later then you should be thinking 1 ton for that big of a trailer. enjoy your new rig.
I don't ever plan on towing 11,000 lbs, I just want to be able to tow my 19RR (or maybe even one day upgrade to a 25RR) without any issues like I will have if I keep my Tacoma. All with my 2 bikes in the back of the TH or the TV or combo of both.
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