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Old 06-01-2013, 10:52 AM   #31
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Neither is a good idea. A flat is a flat, whether on a 2 axle trailer, or a 1 or 3 axle trailer. You don't drive with a flat.......it will ruin the wheel, and beat the side of the trailer and the wheel-well, even possibly doing damage to the inside of the trailer when the wheel-well disappears.
And, even with emergency roadside service- Murphy will have his way and it'll be on a highway that you won't want to sit on for an hour while you wait. Or in the mountains 3 hours from the nearest service. That Murphy is a bugger!

Besides, with being so far over GVWR- I don't think the weight of the spare makes a huge difference. Especially the one on the camper as only a portion of its weight translates to tongue weight.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:49 PM   #32
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Question;

Would putting my R1 Sportbike in the back of the truck and only putting the Can-Am Spyder in the Toy Haulder help me tow/control this 19RR hauler better or would it be best to keep both of them in the Hauler and keep the truck bed empty?
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:10 PM   #33
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Both in the hauler and keep the bed empty.

When they're in the hauler, only a portion of their weight will be transferred to the truck as tongue weight because the camper axles will carry most of it). When they're in the bed, the truck is carrying their entire weight.
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Thanks. So should I also put all the camping gear, cloths, cooler, food in the back of the hauler as well?

Also when I pick up the 19RR (Week or 2) I will get a "real" dry weight at the CAT Scale, and one with it loaded (minus the water) and then another with it hooked to the truck to get an overall weight so to see.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:19 PM   #35
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In the camper, yes. In the *back* of the camper- not necessarily. You're going to need to be aware of your tongue weight - too light and you can induce sway; too heavy and it can put you over your rear axle weights. Generally speaking, with travel trailers, you want approximately 10-15% of the trailer's weight as tongue weight.

When you weigh, *each*-time, you want to do 3-weightings:
1) trailer and truck with WDH engaged
2) trailer and truck without spring bars for WDH (throw the bars in the bed of the truck)
3) take the camper and park it, put the bars into the camper and go weigh the truck by itself

(I wrote an article on How to Weigh a Travel Trailer that explains in a little more detail about these 3 weightings.)

You want to make sure nothing changes between each weighing, otherwise it can skew your math. People in the same seats, load in the same places, etc.

With CAT scales, you pay $10 for the first weighing and then $1-2 for each subsequent weigh within 24 hours.

You'll need a few weightings to get your WDH dialed in. The dealer isn't going to do it right, sadly. They just don't know enough about your loads, where it's going, etc to do it properly. So plan on learning its instruction manual and redoing that.

You will see how moving things or adding/removing water makes a difference. Many people will even buy a Sureline scale so they can measure tongue weight at home (knowing their basic camper weight from prior weightings).
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:30 PM   #36
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The dealer is installing the WDH as it is in the price I paid for it ($900 installed so it better be a good one, he did referance Equilizer). He says its a 4 spot built in sway so I dont know if I can "remove" the sway bars?
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The dealer is installing the WDH as it is in the price I paid for it ($900 installed so it better be a good one, he did referance Equilizer). He says its a 4 spot built in sway so I dont know if I can "remove" the sway bars?
Hopefully someone smarter than me will be around - I've never actually had a WDH (went from a pop-up with a simple sway friction bar to a fifth wheel). But, it's my understanding that the WDH hitching process is something like:

1) Ball into coupler
2) Lower trailer until weight starts to load onto the ball
3) Engage weight distributing "bars"/"springs" to the "chains"/"links"/"washers" (or something)
4) Finish raising tongue so all of the weight is on the truck

Basically, between the 2 weightings - you want one where the WDH is "doing it's thing" and one where it's just the ball supporting the trailer. That will tell you how much weight the hitch is distributing and where (to the front tires, back to the camper tires, etc.).

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As well, when I say that you need to learn about tweaking and fine-tuning the WDH, there are usually links or washers or something and the angle of the head that you adjust to manage where and how much weight gets pushed around. The amount that you need to push around will be dependent upon how much the trailer itself weighs and where the weight is located (empty garage vs. full garage vs. 1 toy vs. 2 toys; with water vs. without water, etc.). There's much more art than science in all of it.

Your dealer will get you started and hopefully teach you how to do it. But, they can't know how and where your weight will be in the camper without all of your stuff.
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these links might help you...
how wdh works. and wdh set up procedure. These should help you get started.

I know the Reese dual cam can be hooked up without the bars and I believe the same is true for the equal-i-zer. What you do when hooking up is drop the hitch on the ball, close and lock the coupler and then use the tongue jack to lift the rear end of the truck up some (takes some pressure off the truck when hitching) then attach the bars from the hitch platform to the trailer. These systems act and attach slightly different with different models. The equal-i-zer utilizes washers and the bars clamp to the a frame. Whereas the Reese dual cam utilizes a cam system with chains. Both are very effective hitches with slightly different wdh/sway control mechanisms. Remember you don't want to drive more than a few feet without these bars on so have them handy.
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Omega, do let us know when you pickup the camper! And, pictures - we LOVE pictures.
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I pick up the 19RR this Saturday and will go from there on photos, setting up the Prod P3 and WDH properly and then go to the CAT scale and all that to see what I have to work with.
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