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Old 03-01-2016, 12:02 PM   #11
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Old 03-01-2016, 01:28 PM   #12
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Based on the paper assessment they should all be way out of bounds but all state no issues...
The funny thing about exceeding limits is there are always "no issues" until there are issues. Normally, it is too late then to do anything but cry. Hopefully it will only be about money.
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:19 PM   #13
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I have a 2500 with 5.7l hemi. Was window shopping at the RV show yesterday and found a 5er that DW and I both loved. Weight was 10k, my truck is rated up to 11500 if I change rear axle gear from 3.73 to 4.10 so I think that part would be ok. Two concerns, one is the website says tongue weight is 2100 which only leaves 400lbs of payload, other is will my rpms stay ramped up all the time moving that much weight whether I change gearing or not? Thanks.
I'm sure if you look around you can find a floor plan you really like with a much lower pin weight. We sure did and found one at 1705. I have seen some good size 5ers in the 1200 - 1400 range on lite models. Start with the Cougar and Cougar lite models and there are lighter ones too.
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2500 / fifth wheel weight guesstimations

Flagstaff seems to have a light pin weight in there classic ultra super line.

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Old 03-01-2016, 05:46 PM   #15
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Here are some numbers in black and white

Thanks Herk, CaptnJohn and Turb, good info. from all. Herk, I agree with you completely. I learned the hard way to generally stay below the stated limits, the difference between "it'll do it" and "should it be doing it?" can be painful and dramatic. This is how I ended up with a 2500 for the 6k lb trailer we have now. I just wanted the payload breathing room and plenty of stability after having our V8 pathfinder yanked all over the place above 45 mph. Based on the chart below what is the legal target to go by as I look at other pull behinds and smaller 5ers for the future?

From Chrysler website for my truck:
Axle: GVWR: Payload: Base Wt: GCWR: GAWR Ft: GAWR Rear: Max Trailer:
3.73 8800 2490 6300 15000 4750 6010 8550
4.10 8800 2490 6300 18000 4750 6010 11550
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:58 PM   #16
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Thanks Herk, CaptnJohn and Turb, good info. from all. Herk, I agree with you completely. I learned the hard way to generally stay below the stated limits, the difference between "it'll do it" and "should it be doing it?" can be painful and dramatic. This is how I ended up with a 2500 for the 6k lb trailer we have now. I just wanted the payload breathing room and plenty of stability after having our V8 pathfinder yanked all over the place above 45 mph. Based on the chart below what is the legal target to go by as I look at other pull behinds and smaller 5ers for the future?

From Chrysler website for my truck:
Axle: GVWR: Payload: Base Wt: GCWR: GAWR Ft: GAWR Rear: Max Trailer:
3.73 8800 2490 6300 15000 4750 6010 8550
4.10 8800 2490 6300 18000 4750 6010 11550
You have nice payload rating. How many adults/ children in the family? What living arrangements ~ BH, 2 bedrooms? 1 bath OK? Those are the questions that may put you into either a 5er or TT. When you say "small" remember on a 5er the length is of the frame, not over the bed ~~ example my 303RLS has a 30' frame but the bedroom and bath are over the bed.
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Old 03-01-2016, 06:16 PM   #17
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Does your truck really weight 6300 pounds?

Run it across a CAT scale with a tank full of gas, the wife and kids along for the ride, and a sack of sand to represent the hitch, just for grins and see what your remaining payload actually is.
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:46 PM   #18
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I have a 2011 Ram 2500 CC ST 2wd w/5.7L Hemi & 3.73 gears. It's stock and not a megacab, so I have a payload of 3,000 but the same 9,100 tow capacity & 15,000 GCVW limit due to the older 5 speed tranny. (In 2012 the main change was the 6 speed tranny & the GCVW was increased to 17,000 w/3.73 gears...)

Our 6,500 (empty) TT is 8,000 loaded & even with tongue weight of 1,300 we run-out of GCVW before we run out of payload... (With family of 5, fiberglass cap, and gear under the cap our payload averages 2,500 w/actual GCVW of just under 15,000...) However, even near our 15K GCVW the 5.7 Hemi w/5 speed tranny did great towing through the Smoky Mountains last summer & IMO a 8,000 (loaded) TT is a perfect match for this (/your) truck...

However, you are looking at a 10,000 (empty) 5er that is already 900 lbs. OVER your tow rating (of 9,100) BEFORE loading any gear AND within 400 of your payload, which will also be OVER once you add a good hitch, store some stuff in the basement, add people, etc...

So, IMO, this 5er is NOT a good match for your TV... Should you be in an accident, even one that's not your fault, any ambulance chasing lawyer can look-up the (empty) numbers & see that you were operating over the specs of your truck - specs that do not LEGALLY change if you swap gears, etc.

In comparison, if you find a 5er that is at least 1,000 under your tow rating which also has a manageable pin weight, then you will at least be legal driving it off the lot... However, I found that for the weight TTs gave us much more room that 5ers...
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:47 PM   #19
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A lot of 2500 diesel guys

1) don't know about payload, tow capacity, or GCWR. They are told by the dealer your __________ (insert favorite diesel name here) will pull it just fine.

or

2) don't care because their __________ (insert favorite diesel name here) will pull it just fine.

and...

3) they all end up with airbags or live with bulldogging down the road.

What you are comfortable with doing is up to you.

I tow with a 6.4 and 3.73, but a 11k bumper pull. I think it does fine. Somebody used to towing with cummins probably wouldn't like it.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:38 PM   #20
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Ive towed from 2200' to 8000'.
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Does just fine in my book.
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