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Old 01-11-2019, 09:52 PM   #71
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Yep. Taxes. Registration rules. I've even talked to a person whose HOA forbade 1-tons from being parked in the open (regarded as commercial vehicles). As I said, there are lots of reasons why people prefer a 3/4 ton.

I was just trying to interpret another person's statement that a serious RVer would choose a 1 ton. I think that looks only at ratings and capacities, which is what rules my personal considerations. Other people have different lives, different preferences, and different legal obligations.
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Not sure where those $800 price differences come from...

When I bought my 2500HD...the price difference was over $5000...

I just don't buy it...
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:13 PM   #73
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Yes I agree but the cab doors, bed except for lighting is all the same. The front end is all new and the interior is the same as the 1500ís so its a lot new. But ground up total redesign is 2022.
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Around here, you can always find new base or middle of the trim line 1 tons cheaper than loaded 3/4 tons. Just depends on what level you want.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:39 PM   #75
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Not sure where those $800 price differences come from...

When I bought my 2500HD...the price difference was over $5000...

I just don't buy it...
The $800 comes from my admittedly faulty memory.

I can't speak to the used market. But, if you price out like for like version of Ford Lariat and GMC Denali trim levels, there isn't much difference between 1 ton and 3/4 ton MSRP. Again, the key is like for like and I've been clear to note a 3/4 with tow package. The 1 ton doesn't have a tow package; the 1 ton is as tow package. Add the tow package, add the same options, and keep the trim level constant. It's less than $1,000.

For grins, I just went to Ford.com and priced two trucks out in the diesel SRW Crew Cab Lariat 6-3/4 bed configuration.

Base prices for an F350 and F250 + Tow Package are $59,855 and $59,815. Before we add a single option, there's a $40 difference between the two platforms.

So, I add options how someone might build a tow vehicle out: 4wd, 3.55 gears, chrome package, lariat ultimate package, snow plow/camper package, tow technology package, BLIS blind spot indicator, engine block heater, quad beam LED headlights, adaptive cruise control. Zip code of 80516, if you want to duplicate my work here.

In addition, the 3/4 F250 got the tow package.

F250: $72,255
F350: $72,300

$45 difference.

So, then I just looked at base prices for the crew cab, srw, 6-3/4' bed trucks for F250/F350 (I don't think freight appears in the following numbers).

XL: $36,745/$37,920 ($1,175)
XLT: $41,860/$43,040 ($1,180)
Lariat: $48,470/$49,640 ($1,170)

So, the 1 ton is around $1,200 more expensive, the tow package for the 3/4 ton is around $1,150, and the two end up being very comparable in price. I thought I remembered this being closer to $800. It's actually much less. I'm not sure how comparably equipped 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks could be $5,000 apart from one another.

Again, there are many reasons to prefer a 3/4 ton. Price of a new truck probably shouldn't be among them.

Again, I can't speak for the used market and I don't know how the platforms fare in that space. Similarly, I don't know the actual street prices of these new trucks or how the two platforms are discounted from those MSRPs. I'm only going off MSRP, which are quite close to one another. And, obviously, I may have missed something when I was pricing out these trucks on Ford.com.

Good luck.
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I had an older 2500GMC with the 6.0, while it was a great truck in regards to reliability ( except once when it left us on the side of the road when the fuel pump crapped while towing our TT)

I was a little dissatisfied with it for two reasons:

1. It got maybe 9 miles to the gallon while towing....with the engine off...downhill...with a 60 mph tailwind. 12MPG when unhooked....terrible mileage

Seriously it had 3.73 gearing on a 4L80 4 speed transmission, it would be down to a half a tank of fuel in 120 miles when towing.

2. The uphill battles with the TT was no fun at all, lots of RPM's involved


Maybe some of my bias came from going from a diesel to a gasser....and now full circle

My .02 worth, IF I wasnt done with gassers I would look at the f-150 ecoboost if the tail wont be wagging the dog in your setup up, if it is take a look at the 6.2 hemi ram....heck it would be nice if you could hook up all the big three and try them out with your TT
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Thanks. I'll drive them both back to back and see. I know there is a big difference in ride on the Ram 2500 vs 3500, and yes, the F250's I have driven ride quite a bit rougher than either Chevy or Ram 2500's in my opinion.


I rode in both a lot, and from my experience, the tire inflation unloaded is the biggest ride difference. I run 55/65 unloaded. But itís a pain to air the tires up when ya are going towing. Also the diesels ride better unloaded that the 6.4 Hemi. I have the diesel plus the B&W hitch, it rides the best that Iíve ever been in a 3500. But it will still be annoying on I71 south in that old section of pavement.
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is there anything from the Big 3 that makes a certain HD gaser better than the other?

I know its all subjective, all personal, and they are all probably "good".



I have had 2 F150s Ecos with no issues (beyond recalls). First traded at about 80k and my current one (purchased new) now has 43k.



My late father has had a suburban (tranny went out at 90k) and a GMC Yukon XL (tranny went out little over 100k)- both of these were used to tow a 7k TT

A 2012 Expedition V8 (used to tow a 8500, 36' TT- yes, don't criticize!)- Mom still drives it, no issues. has 115k on it. Purchased new in 2013.

2 F150s (1 5.0 and 1 eco) both traded off at 100k without issue

He was on his 3rd F150 when he died.



My wife has a 2018 Chevy Traverse that has had constant transmission issues and its less than 7k miles. Dealer gives the classic response "its not acting up" when we take it in. It makes it difficult for me to want to look at GM trucks.



I do not honestly know anything about Ram. I have only heard "they are awesome" or "they suck". I do really like the way they look, especially the interiors. I certainly plan on checking them out before I make any decision as well. I am not a big fan of their back bench seat and the hump in the floor. I am used to the flat floors offered in the F series. I also love all of the cup loaders Ford gives you. It doesn't sound like a big deal but when your wife brings 7 things to drink at once on a trip, it is a big deal.



My go to was an F250, and I have driven one. This, like the OP, is the daily driver also at about 15k miles a year, 5k of it towing. Most highway miles.



I can get a used Ram for cheaper than a used F250. Also if the Ram rides smoother that may be a better option as well. I just have no experience with the durability of the Hemi engines and their transmissions.


I think all the big thereís gassers are great. The 2500 Burb I had with the 6.0 really was an amazing truck, I believe it was the best SUV that GM ever made. Haha very stout. It had the .410 rear end.

I havenít driven the Ford 6.2, I bet itís very good and I have driven the 6.4 Hemi and I like a lot. It needs a transmission tune, I think itís a little out of whack shifting 1-2 in tow haul mode.
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That just doesn't make sense...



I am a serious RV'er and there is absolutely no reason I need a 350/3500 right now.



My 2500HD is more than enough truck for my needs!


I agree whole heartedly if you already have it and I know that 2500 is extremely capable. So donít think I was slighting your truck. I wasnít. I think folks get carried away when they have a late model 250/2500 truck and trade it in on a 350/3500 and spend a bunch of cash. But as my wife says, I can talk my self into a new truck at ant time!
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I agree whole heartedly if you already have it and I know that 2500 is extremely capable. So don’t think I was slighting your truck. I wasn’t. I think folks get carried away when they have a late model 250/2500 truck and trade it in on a 350/3500 and spend a bunch of cash. But as my wife says, I can talk my self into a new truck at ant time!
I did it, I traded a 2016 ram 2500 6.4 in on a 2018 ram 3500 CTD.. Same version of truck, both were a long bed, crew cab 4x4. I'll not get into the whole reason I traded, but the short end of it was I felt the 6.4 struggled a bit more than I liked in certain terrain I like to camp in. I would have been very pleased with the 2500 diesel, But the one we looked at had a very low 21?? or something payload, where is the gas 2500 I was trading had 3200 or such (don't remember exact number) I liked that big number because it allowed me to relax cause I knew my relative tongue weight and as such I could throw all the firewood, bicycles and camp gear in the bed of the truck and not worry about it. That is the ONLY reason I went for the 3500 Cummins over the 2500.
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