3/4 Ton Tow Question

[DocGTO]

I love seeing the trucks so overloaded that they are riding on their bump stops and the tires look like they will blow any minute... Lol

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by lordj37

Thanks for the replies, info, and opinions. I APPRECIATE IT!!! And the bantering back and forth is fun to follow. Bottom line, before I pull the trigger on this thing, I need to get it and my truck to a CAT scale. Even with it "dry" I should have a pretty good idea on where I'm at. I know how much we typically load into the camper (we've had a tt for 4 years). It's those nice large basement storage areas that'll screw me on weight as I'll love to load it up with crap!

Back to the OP subject. I think you are on the right track getting the truck weight ready to camp then subtract it for the GVWR of 10,000 and that will give the payload left over pin weight. With that information you can decided on 5er that you are willing to put your loves one in.

[RubberNail]

People come out of the woodwork to respond on tow weight questions! I've had a couple of 5th wheels in the same GVWR range and the same truck in an earlier model. With a 5th wheel you have 2 numbers to watch. Gross rear axle weight rating, 6200# and Gross combined weight rating 24,500#. All others are of no consequence for a 5er setup. I expect your tow vehicle rear axle load is about 3300#, hitch in and full of fuel, so you have about 2900# of pin load capacity left. Be aware that, at least in my case, as camping pin weight is about 600# more than empty pin weight. Likely you truck empty weight in go camping condition, passengers on board is likely around 8000#.

[CWSWine]

Here is really good article on "Tow Vehicle Sizing" that explains how to use your Max Axle Weight and Gross Vehicle Weight Rating to properly size you tow vehicle.

Tow Vehicle Sizing

[lgray]

Originally Posted by RubberNail

People come out of the woodwork to respond on tow weight questions! I've had a couple of 5th wheels in the same GVWR range and the same truck in an earlier model. With a 5th wheel you have 2 numbers to watch. Gross rear axle weight rating, 6200# and Gross combined weight rating 24,500#. All others are of no consequence for a 5er setup. I expect your tow vehicle rear axle load is about 3300#, hitch in and full of fuel, so you have about 2900# of pin load capacity left. Be aware that, at least in my case, as camping pin weight is about 600# more than empty pin weight. Likely you truck empty weight in go camping condition, passengers on board is likely around 8000#.

Well said…especially "coming out of the woodwork". Most of which have trucks with capacity well beyond what they need. Likely a result of getting caught up in the hype or over compensating for feelings of inadequacy elsewhere…LOL.

[Flybob]

Originally Posted by DocGTO

I love seeing the trucks so overloaded that they are riding on their bump stops and the tires look like they will blow any minute... Lol

You should enjoy this.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by lgray

Well said…especially "coming out of the woodwork". Most of which have trucks with capacity well beyond what they need. Likely a result of getting caught up in the hype or over compensating for feelings of inadequacy elsewhere…LOL.

There is some us that goes by the facts and numbers and others that can't face fact and it's not nearly as big as they would like others to think it is.

[steelpony5555]

Bottom line is that truck is more than capable of hauling the trailer.......
I worried bout my 2500 hauling the same weight trailer but as soon as I pulled out of the dealer's lot a big smile came on to my face...when a weighed it after the wife loaded it down I was under all gross weighs...used that truck and trailer for 2 years and towed it all over the country problem free....now just get LT tires put on that beast so you can cruise at 65... Which will probably be the sweet spot for your motor.......what???? You say oh crap he opened up a new can of worms....lol lol

[lgray]

Roger on the LT tires. If you have to pick a place to go beyond what is needed, tires are the place and much less expensive than overbuying on the tow vehicle.Been on my Goodyear “H” rated 17.5’s, towed by my 2500, fiver approximately 17,000, for over 2 years as well.Smooth sailing at 70, not even a hiccup on TST system.

[lgray]

Bumper not dragging and the tow vehicle Michelin's capacity vastly exceeds pin weight.

[CWSWine]

The guy will be over his GVWR before he adds one pound to his 5er and just added higher rated tires you will be OK. Wow great advice for someone that hasn't purchased his 5er yet. My advice would be something along these lines. Either upgrade the truck or look lighter 5ers so when loaded you are close to GVWR. I wouldn't take the advice of self appoint forum engineers that think they know more about ratings than the people that build, design and test these trucks. You can not set weights ratings by the set of you pants and yes the truck will pull more since it is the same engine is use the 1 ton dual wheel truck but F250 is not rate to pull the same weight as F350 dual wheel. Keep your love safe and stay with your trucks specs.

[lgray]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

The guy will be over his GVWR before he adds one pound to his 5er and just added higher rated tires you will be OK. Wow great advice for someone that hasn't purchased his 5er yet. My advice would be something along these lines. Either upgrade the truck or look lighter 5ers so when loaded you are close to GVWR. I wouldn't take the advice of self appoint forum engineers that think they know more about ratings than the people that build, design and test these trucks. You can not set weights ratings by the set of you pants and yes the truck will pull more since it is the same engine is use the 1 ton dual wheel truck but F250 is not rate to pull the same weight as F350 dual wheel. Keep your love safe and stay with your trucks specs.

Over? Gross combined for the 2011 is 24,500, GM rates for 5th wheel weight of 17,300 with a pin weight of 2,750.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by lgray

Over? Gross combined for the 2011 is 24,500, GM rates for 5th wheel weight of 17,300 with a pin weight of 2,750.

Let see payload of truck is 2740 and the DRY pin is of the 5er is 2230 leaves 510 pounds. Payload is taken from curb weight so that no passengers ( that from our person that works at the Ford Plant) Two people 350 lbs - 5er Hitch 200 lbs - misc stuff like bed cover, coolers, and etc 50lbs eats up the 510 pounds.



You're adding approximately 600 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,140 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,560 - 10,700 lbs.


Here the link to the page....


Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner

[lgray]

[QUOTE=CWSWine;1115968]Let see payload of truck is 2740 and the DRY pin is of the 5er is 2230 leaves 510 pounds. Payload is taken from curb weight so that no passengers ( that from our person that works at the Ford Plant) Two people 350 lbs - 5er Hitch 200 lbs - misc stuff like bed cover, coolers, and etc 50lbs eats up the 510 pounds.



You're adding approximately 600 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,140 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,560 - 10,700 lbs.


Here the link to the page....


going by Your "Payload Calculator" , "A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels" , impact on payload for hitch, NOT THE ACTUAL pin weight. Which will allow him at least 2,250 for tow vehicle fuel, people and cargo.

[steelpony5555]

Real world is ..my trailer weighed 12200 lb dry...no not brochure weight but real weight...granted I did have a Dodge 2500 but once again. I was UNDER all gross weight per CAT scales....nos his trailer I highly doubt will have a 2700 lb pin weight and I don't know where y'all get these 200-300 lb hitches...mine is the same s he is saying he has and although dang heavy I can lift it off my truck bed...and no I can't bench 200 lbs anymore....so keeping it real world yes he is gonna be fine with a 12100 lb 5er....even if his wife loads it like mine does.....walk thru a. Camp ground or Camping World parking lot and tell me how may 2500's there are compared to 3500's....

[CWSWine]

[QUOTE=lgray;1115980]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

Let see payload of truck is 2740 and the DRY pin is of the 5er is 2230 leaves 510 pounds. Payload is taken from curb weight so that no passengers ( that from our person that works at the Ford Plant) Two people 350 lbs - 5er Hitch 200 lbs - misc stuff like bed cover, coolers, and etc 50lbs eats up the 510 pounds.



You're adding approximately 600 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,140 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,560 - 10,700 lbs.


Here the link to the page....


going by Your "Payload Calculator" , "A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels" , impact on payload for hitch, NOT THE ACTUAL pin weight. Which will allow him at least 2,250 for tow vehicle fuel, people and cargo.

I don't understand what you try say but hitch counts is payload added to the truck. Even with your numbers of 2250 he still has dry pin weight of 2230 that leaves him 20lbs. Now add batteries, dealer options and ETC still over.

[CWSWine]

By the way Chevy, GM, Ford and Ram when they figure max 5th wheel they use 15% the lowest possible percentage. 17,000 times 15% = 2550 pin. Probably never find a 5er of 17,000 lbs that has 15% pin is more like 23% pin which would equal 3900 lbs pin weight. At 23% you probably have exceeded you axle ratings also which is static rating and can increase by as much 30% during towing.

[lgray]

[QUOTE=CWSWine;1115992]

Originally Posted by lgray

I don't understand what you try say but hitch counts is payload added to the truck. Even with your numbers of 2250 he still has dry pin weight of 2230 that leaves him 20lbs. Now add batteries, dealer options and ETC still over.

Dude,

This is coming from your calculator, from the link you provided below:

Weight of Hitch

A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels.

[steelpony5555]

Lol his gross is 15000 lbs which I doubt he will hit....of my 3 trailers all with dry weights of 12.5-12.4 lbs my heaviest pin weight has been 2400 lbs loaded.....

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by DSQR

So let's say you have a $1,000,000 damage accident, and your rig is found by the insurance company to have been operating in excess of GVWR, max allowed 5th wheel pin weight, or max 5th wheel towing weight. Do you think they are going to pay your claim or represent you in any court action that your accident incurred?

They are not that dumb. Insurance companies have banks of lawyers whose only job is to ensure the company only pays claims that they cannot find an excuse to avoid.

Yeah!!!! And imagine what they'll do if they find you broke an actual law and were speeding or ran a red light!!!! They'd never pay on a claim when you were breaking an actual law!!! Oh, wait- they pay on those claims all the time. Never mind that- they'll pay those but NO WAY will they pay if you exceed a manufacturers rating. My brother (in his younger/dumber days) jumped a creek at 100+mph in my grandmothers Crown Victoria. Insurance paid for everything. And I know for a fact that Crown Vic wasn't "rated" to fly! A cousin of mine had several accidents while drunk and insurance paid every time. As a matter of fact, out of the dozens of car wrecks I'm familiar with, every single one of them were covered by insurance and every single one of them involved someone breaking the law. Not sure where this idea came from that an insurance company won't cover you if you are overloaded when they routinely cover every other type of negligence you could possibly imagine.