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Old 02-29-2016, 12:39 PM   #51
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The guy will be over his GVWR before he adds one pound to his 5er and just added higher rated tires you will be OK. Wow great advice for someone that hasn't purchased his 5er yet. My advice would be something along these lines. Either upgrade the truck or look lighter 5ers so when loaded you are close to GVWR. I wouldn't take the advice of self appoint forum engineers that think they know more about ratings than the people that build, design and test these trucks. You can not set weights ratings by the set of you pants and yes the truck will pull more since it is the same engine is use the 1 ton dual wheel truck but F250 is not rate to pull the same weight as F350 dual wheel. Keep your love safe and stay with your trucks specs.
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The guy will be over his GVWR before he adds one pound to his 5er and just added higher rated tires you will be OK. Wow great advice for someone that hasn't purchased his 5er yet. My advice would be something along these lines. Either upgrade the truck or look lighter 5ers so when loaded you are close to GVWR. I wouldn't take the advice of self appoint forum engineers that think they know more about ratings than the people that build, design and test these trucks. You can not set weights ratings by the set of you pants and yes the truck will pull more since it is the same engine is use the 1 ton dual wheel truck but F250 is not rate to pull the same weight as F350 dual wheel. Keep your love safe and stay with your trucks specs.

Over? Gross combined for the 2011 is 24,500, GM rates for 5th wheel weight of 17,300 with a pin weight of 2,750.
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Old 02-29-2016, 01:04 PM   #53
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Over? Gross combined for the 2011 is 24,500, GM rates for 5th wheel weight of 17,300 with a pin weight of 2,750.
Let see payload of truck is 2740 and the DRY pin is of the 5er is 2230 leaves 510 pounds. Payload is taken from curb weight so that no passengers ( that from our person that works at the Ford Plant) Two people 350 lbs - 5er Hitch 200 lbs - misc stuff like bed cover, coolers, and etc 50lbs eats up the 510 pounds.



You're adding approximately 600 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,140 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,560 - 10,700 lbs.


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Towing Calculator based on Truck's Payload/CCC - Towing Planner
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[QUOTE=CWSWine;1115968]Let see payload of truck is 2740 and the DRY pin is of the 5er is 2230 leaves 510 pounds. Payload is taken from curb weight so that no passengers ( that from our person that works at the Ford Plant) Two people 350 lbs - 5er Hitch 200 lbs - misc stuff like bed cover, coolers, and etc 50lbs eats up the 510 pounds.



You're adding approximately 600 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,140 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,560 - 10,700 lbs.


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going by Your "Payload Calculator" , "A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels" , impact on payload for hitch, NOT THE ACTUAL pin weight. Which will allow him at least 2,250 for tow vehicle fuel, people and cargo.
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Real world is ..my trailer weighed 12200 lb dry...no not brochure weight but real weight...granted I did have a Dodge 2500 but once again. I was UNDER all gross weight per CAT scales....nos his trailer I highly doubt will have a 2700 lb pin weight and I don't know where y'all get these 200-300 lb hitches...mine is the same s he is saying he has and although dang heavy I can lift it off my truck bed...and no I can't bench 200 lbs anymore....so keeping it real world yes he is gonna be fine with a 12100 lb 5er....even if his wife loads it like mine does.....walk thru a. Camp ground or Camping World parking lot and tell me how may 2500's there are compared to 3500's....
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Let see payload of truck is 2740 and the DRY pin is of the 5er is 2230 leaves 510 pounds. Payload is taken from curb weight so that no passengers ( that from our person that works at the Ford Plant) Two people 350 lbs - 5er Hitch 200 lbs - misc stuff like bed cover, coolers, and etc 50lbs eats up the 510 pounds.



You're adding approximately 600 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,140 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,560 - 10,700 lbs.


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going by Your "Payload Calculator" , "A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels" , impact on payload for hitch, NOT THE ACTUAL pin weight. Which will allow him at least 2,250 for tow vehicle fuel, people and cargo.
I don't understand what you try say but hitch counts is payload added to the truck. Even with your numbers of 2250 he still has dry pin weight of 2230 that leaves him 20lbs. Now add batteries, dealer options and ETC still over.
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By the way Chevy, GM, Ford and Ram when they figure max 5th wheel they use 15% the lowest possible percentage. 17,000 times 15% = 2550 pin. Probably never find a 5er of 17,000 lbs that has 15% pin is more like 23% pin which would equal 3900 lbs pin weight. At 23% you probably have exceeded you axle ratings also which is static rating and can increase by as much 30% during towing.
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I don't understand what you try say but hitch counts is payload added to the truck. Even with your numbers of 2250 he still has dry pin weight of 2230 that leaves him 20lbs. Now add batteries, dealer options and ETC still over.

Dude,

This is coming from your calculator, from the link you provided below:

Weight of Hitch

A safe estimate is 50-100 pounds for travel trailers and 250 pounds for fifth wheels.
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Lol his gross is 15000 lbs which I doubt he will hit....of my 3 trailers all with dry weights of 12.5-12.4 lbs my heaviest pin weight has been 2400 lbs loaded.....
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So let's say you have a $1,000,000 damage accident, and your rig is found by the insurance company to have been operating in excess of GVWR, max allowed 5th wheel pin weight, or max 5th wheel towing weight. Do you think they are going to pay your claim or represent you in any court action that your accident incurred?

They are not that dumb. Insurance companies have banks of lawyers whose only job is to ensure the company only pays claims that they cannot find an excuse to avoid.
Yeah!!!! And imagine what they'll do if they find you broke an actual law and were speeding or ran a red light!!!! They'd never pay on a claim when you were breaking an actual law!!! Oh, wait- they pay on those claims all the time. Never mind that- they'll pay those but NO WAY will they pay if you exceed a manufacturers rating. My brother (in his younger/dumber days) jumped a creek at 100+mph in my grandmothers Crown Victoria. Insurance paid for everything. And I know for a fact that Crown Vic wasn't "rated" to fly! A cousin of mine had several accidents while drunk and insurance paid every time. As a matter of fact, out of the dozens of car wrecks I'm familiar with, every single one of them were covered by insurance and every single one of them involved someone breaking the law. Not sure where this idea came from that an insurance company won't cover you if you are overloaded when they routinely cover every other type of negligence you could possibly imagine.
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