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Old 02-27-2016, 09:59 PM   #1
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3/4 Ton Tow Question

I posted the below question to the forum this morning (received some great feedback......THANKS) but after locating the below GM sticker in my door I'm even more confused with the axle rating/payload question for the 5th wheel we're looking at (see below). I'm assuming this doesn't mean my payload capabilities are over 6,000lbs?!?!? What is this telling me???

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New to the forum. Loaded with great information. I have a trailer/truck combo question. I'm second questing if my truck is rated high enough to pull it. I know there are charts and calculations out there but those darn things confuse me. Looking for some assistance.

We are currently looking at purchasing a new 5th wheel (2016 Chaparral 390qsmb). Specs of the trailer are:
-dry weight 12,170
-pin weight 2230
-GVWR 15,000

I have a 2011 GMC Sierra crew cab 4wd with a standard 6.5 bed, 6.6L Duramax. Truck specs are:
-payload 2792
-GVWR 10,000
-chart shows "5th wheel hitch" 16,700 which I assume is the max trailer weight
-GCWR 24,500

Any input, help, or suggestions would be appreciated!!!
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:02 PM   #2
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with the empty pin weight of 5th wheel, about 300 lbs for a 5th wheel hitch, 2 people in truck, you have nothing left for all the stuff you need to put in 5th wheel or truck
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It saying that the rear axle cannot have more than 6200lbs. This will not include the weight of the truck.. Just what the axle will support. So to keep simple.. Truck puts 5000lbs of weight on this axle (just truck no cargo or trailer) you have 1200 left of payload. This 1200 drops with people and junk added in truck, hitch or pin weight of trailer.

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You are well within the capacity for your truck. I have the Chevy version, same engine, year, etc. and tow a 15,000 dry weight Trilogy...no need for comments from the weight police...
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You are well within the capacity for your truck. I have the Chevy version, same engine, year, etc. and tow a 15,000 dry weight Trilogy...no need for comments from the weight police...
Well that's a broad sweeping statement.. While I may or may not agree with your feelings of what the truck can do vs what it can legally do... He is here asking for weight help so I guess he would want help from the weight PD as well or he would not be here. Just saying...

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will it tow it. Absolutely. Will it be over pay load. Absolutely. No body trying to be weight police. Just helping make sense of the numbers, which is what was asked.
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You are well within the capacity for your truck. I have the Chevy version, same engine, year, etc. and tow a 15,000 dry weight Trilogy...no need for comments from the weight police...

Actually. He will be over his gross with an empty trailer and truck.


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For your reference.... My 2002 2500 HD EC LB weights...

This was pulling a 13600 lb fifth wheel with my 2500hd. Full tank of fuel, family, full propane, and 1/2 tank of water.



Weights before and after...

Front - 3920 (I don't think they waited for me to get back in the truck here)

Rear - 2900



Front - 4180

Rear - 5420

Trailer - 10860





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This was the Crusader below hook to 2013 Chevy 2500HD Diesel. I traded from F350 to keep it within manufacture specs.

Gross Combined Weight 19600
Truck Weight (hitched) 10,960 GVWR 10,000 so over by 960 lbs
Truck Weight 8220
Camper Weight 11380
Pin Weight 2740 Payload on Yellow Tag 2475
My Rear Axle 5980 with Max of 6200
My Rear Tires Max was 6100 within 20 lbs of being over weight.

Dry Weight on 5er 9,900
Dry Pin Weight 1950

Here is my current 5er scale weights.

With a 14,100 lbs 5er I pushing very close on GVWR with 1 ton SRW truck. Here are the numbers.
http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...&w2da=3480&a=2

I do have have the weight tickets if you want me to post them I will.
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It saying that the rear axle cannot have more than 6200lbs. This will not include the weight of the truck.. Just what the axle will support. So to keep simple.. Truck puts 5000lbs of weight on this axle (just truck no cargo or trailer) you have 1200 left of payload. This 1200 drops with people and junk added in truck, hitch or pin weight of trailer.

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Am I missing something here? Where do you get the figure of 5000 lbs put on that axle? His truck specs says he has a payload of 2792. He would have to weigh his truck at a scale with a full tank of fuel and his hitch to see what weight is actually on the rear axle and determine his true payload. Not a chance a 3/4 ton truck only has a 1200 lb payload. I have a 2011 GMC 3/4 ton, same as the OP...weighed at cat scale with hitch in place and a full tank of fuel, I only had 3200lb on the rear axle.
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Am I missing something here? Where do you get the figure of 5000 lbs put on that axle? His truck specs says he has a payload of 2792. He would have to weigh his truck at a scale with a full tank of fuel and his hitch to see what weight is actually on the rear axle and determine his true payload. Not a chance a 3/4 ton truck only has a 1200 lb payload. I have a 2011 GMC 3/4 ton, same as the OP...weighed at cat scale with hitch in place and a full tank of fuel, I only had 3200lb on the rear axle.
My 2013 2500 HD diesel on the scales with me and my wife only plus the hitch and misc stuff had 1980 for payload and the yellow stick stated 2475 lbs. You must not have a diesel if your payload was that high.
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My 2013 2500 HD diesel on the scales with me and my wife only plus the hitch and misc stuff had 1980 for payload and the yellow stick stated 2475 lbs. You must not have a diesel if your payload was that high.
I never stated what my payload was, simply what the weight was on my rear axle on the scale. The payload I quoted in my post what was the original poster was telling us at 2792.
But yes, I don't have a diesel, and there is a couple hundred pounds difference in the payload specs between diesel and gas.
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If you actually read... I said "let's keep it simple" by using round numbers. They are made up numbers to explain what the axle stuff meant. Much easier to deal with 5000lbs than 2345 lbs to explain a point. Just saying..

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If you actually read... I said "let's keep it simple" by using round numbers. They are made up numbers to explain what the axle stuff meant. Much easier to deal with 5000lbs than 2345 lbs to explain a point. Just saying..

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not only does 2345 not round to 5000, the empty truck doesn't put 5000 lbs on the rear axle. Don't know where you are getting that calculation from. Only about 2500-3000 on the rear axle with an empty truck. An empty truck will only have about 1/3 of it's curb weight on the rear axle.
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Oh boy... Time for the face palm. I hope you all are messing with me..

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WFD is on to something lol lol an empty truck with 5000 lbs on the rear axle???? Truck only weighs around 7000 lbs give or take a few hundred. Most any 2500 will tow a 5 th wheel of that weight safely and with no problems.... Its not necessary to have a Kenworth to tow a 5er...
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WFD is on to something lol lol an empty truck with 5000 lbs on the rear axle???? Truck only weighs around 7000 lbs give or take a few hundred. Most any 2500 will tow a 5 th wheel of that weight safely and with no problems.... Its not necessary to have a Kenworth to tow a 5er...
THAT IS BECAUSE THE NUMBER AR3 MADE UP OTHER THAN HIS AXLE WEIGHT HEPOSTED FROM HIS STICKER!

OP, sorry, I am unsubsribing and moving on.. Good luck

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This is a ticket of my racing gooseneck. The truck had 2 adults and 2 kids with some gear in there and some firewood in the bed as well. The trailer full of all the gear and the car is 10k but with the car in there we have to load all the extras in the overhang so the pin is up there. With that being said, we still are technically 200 under the axle max. But as of 2011, the 2500 and 3500 SRW Chevys have exactly the same rear axles. The only difference is the spring pack having 1 leaf spring. We supplemented with the Firestone bags with on board air. My next trip in 2 weeks, I plan on scaling the fiver so I know without a doubt what the numbers are.

With all that being said, my current fiver is 12k loaded and my truck does everything with it perfect. My thoughts on a 15k trailer is that the TV should be a 1 ton and possible a dually. My next fiver will be a 15k plus unit and I already have plans to get a 3500 dually because I want to be able to pull anything!



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Our fiver weighed 2k more with a higher center of gravity:
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Lets make it really simple. In your first post you can see on the sticker that the GVWR for the truck is 10,000 lbs. Your truck ready to camp with passengers, hitch and misc stuff will weigh around 8,000 lbs and the dry pin weight of the 5er is 2230 lbs empty.

8000 lbs truck PLUS 2230 lbs trailer dry pin Equals 10,230 which is 230 over GVWR with empty 5er.

Now if you are interested in staying within the trucks manufacture specs you will exceed most of them if not all. Now if not worried about manufacture specs the sky is the limit.
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I never stated what my payload was, simply what the weight was on my rear axle on the scale. The payload I quoted in my post what was the original poster was telling us at 2792.
But yes, I don't have a diesel, and there is a couple hundred pounds difference in the payload specs between diesel and gas.
He got the payload from the towing guide and I bet the sticker on the truck is lower. Diesel isn't a couple hundred pounds difference but 600 to 800 difference.
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