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Old 12-11-2010, 11:09 AM   #31
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Hello FreeWheeler in case you have not seen the specs on the trucks :
https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...FifthWheel.pdf
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https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...trp17Aug06.pdf
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http://www.gmc.com/pdf/Trailering_Guide.pdf
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Depending on how you plan to load/use the truck it looks like the GMC may not be enough truck the trailer. Mind you if its only a couple times a year towing with a lot of unloaded use that gasser may be the way to go otherwise the diesel you like would be the way to go
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Old 12-11-2010, 11:18 AM   #32
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Wow!!! Thanks!

Thank you all for great advice. It sounds like the Chevy 6.0 Gasser might work fine most of the time, but if I do much pullin', the diesel is the answer. I am pretty sure this will be our one and only rig (we spent long enough finding the right Fiver, I can't imagine going thru THAT again) and, hopefully, our one truck. Most initial trips will be east cost but we both want to "go west" and then you have The Rockies and I figured that would change the equation.
We drove in the 2010 F-250 Lariat and sat in an F-150 XL... I thought the seats were OK but my wife didn't like them. We drove the 2008 Chev Gasser and both felt comfortable in the seats. I think that means we are looking at the Chev or GMC lines but it is really hard to find a good deal on a late model with a Tow Package AND a Diesel.
By "chipping" I assume you mean replacing the computer chip. Hope I don't have to go there, but I guess that's an option.
Thank you again for all the input. We are off for a day of truck shopping... only 1 week left on our hold deposit on the Flagstaff.
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Old 12-11-2010, 11:50 AM   #33
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You certainly don't need to chip a diesel post 2005 to tow a 9200# fifthwheel. I pulled a fifthwheel with dry weight of 12000# with a 2005 Dodge CTD 3500 SRW with a 3.73 rearend with absolutely no problems. It did absolutely great. A 3/4 ton is all you need. Stay away from the 6.0 liter Ford. The 6.4 is a good engine so far. We decided to go the motor home route, but was very happy with our fifthwheel rig.
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Old 12-11-2010, 12:16 PM   #34
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"You certainly don't need to chip a diesel post 2005 to tow a 9200# fifthwheel."

You certainly do if you want fuel mileage.
The other thing to consider is that this fifth is fairly tall, so wind resistance is right up there with the bigger rigs. I sure notice it on ours whenever we hit those stiff headwinds, as it is about 3 feet taller than our previous fifth.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:09 PM   #35
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We checked out a 2007 F-250 Lariat today... man was THAT noisy! Nice truck, but the 6.0 TD with 50k miles was noisy.

Gonna look at a 2003 Sierra 3500 with only 30k miles and lots of creature comfort. Even has the 5th wheel already installed!

So how does the CHIP change the performance characteristics?
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:57 PM   #36
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Check out this month's Trailer life magazine's 2500 truck shootout.

They tested 3 - 3/4 ton 2011 4x4 crewcab diesels towing identical 8,000 pound Vortex SURVs:

2500HD Silverado crew cab with Duramax 6.6L diesel and Allison Trans
Ford F-250 crewcab with 6.7L V-8 Powerstroke and TorqShift 6 spd auto
RAM 2500 SLT crewcab Cummins 6.7L I-6 Turbodiesel and 68RFE 6 spd

Results were about even for Ford and Chevy (11.5 F - 12 mpg GM)
Ram did not even come close but was 7 grand cheaper (10.5 MPG)

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Old 12-11-2010, 09:37 PM   #37
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Here's my input on this truck thing for what it's worth.
I've always had Chevrolet Silverado pickup's, always liked them and puled a TT to AZ two years in a row. Mileage was bad but thought that was what I got with a gas engine. I had leased them and always turned them in with no issues. Then When my 2007 was due to be turned in I started shopping because we liked and wanted a 41 foot Cedar Creek 5th wheel and Chevy was a bit slow coming out with the 2011 model so I went and looked at the 2011 Super Duty with the 6.7 Power Stroke Diesel. What a truck it was.
We got one and drove it around home for 4000 miles and then headed for AZ with that 15,500 pound 5th wheel and what a ride it was. I've become a Ford believer now, It is comfortable and pulled that 5th wheel like it wasn't even there. We drove 2,234 and our avg mileage was 9.2 mpg. I'm told that when this diesel gets broke in it'll get better mileage pulling the 5th wheel.
If you are looking for a pickup to pull a TT or a 5th wheel check out the new Ford F250. It's a beast and you'll fine it's nicer then the Chevrolet Silverado.. Sorry GM, Ford has done their homework.
Oh I guess one of my comfort secrets is I also have the Hensley Trailer Saver 5th wheel hitch. Absolutely no jarring, It's like towing on air.
Hensley has great products.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:47 PM   #38
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Check out this month's Trailer life magazine's 2500 truck shootout.

They tested 3 - 3/4 ton 2011 4x4 crewcab diesels towing identical 8,000 pound Vortex SURVs:

2500HD Silverado crew cab with Duramax 6.6L diesel and Allison Trans
Ford F-250 crewcab with 6.7L V-8 Powerstroke and TorqShift 6 spd auto
RAM 2500 SLT crewcab Cummins 6.7L I-6 Turbodiesel and 68RFE 6 spd

Results were about even for Ford and Chevy (11.5 F - 12 mpg GM)
Ram did not even come close but was 7 grand cheaper (10.5 MPG)

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They should have pulled some weight with them, My 5th wheel is 15,500 pounds and at 70 and 75 mph up and down the mountains we averaged 9.2 mpg during our 2224 mile trip to AZ from MI this week. Ford has done their homework and have beat the GM as far as comfort and lay-out of the whole truck. Check them out.
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Old 12-11-2010, 10:36 PM   #39
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I think the perfect truck would be the new ford with the 5.9 cummins (no emissions like the 6.7) and the allison tranny. Build that and I'll take 2
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"You certainly don't need to chip a diesel post 2005 to tow a 9200# fifthwheel."

You certainly do if you want fuel mileage.
The other thing to consider is that this fifth is fairly tall, so wind resistance is right up there with the bigger rigs. I sure notice it on ours whenever we hit those stiff headwinds, as it is about 3 feet taller than our previous fifth.
I partially agree. Chips are needed to delete emissions. Not everything post 2005 has the power robbing/fuel burning emissions. Dodge went to it in 2007.5 with the 6.7L
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