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Old 04-26-2016, 12:25 AM   #1
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5th wheel f250 weight question

loosing my mind with this. my 2003 f250 7.3 supercab longbed 4x4 is rated at 12500 max trailer and 20000 gvwr. i cant figure out what toy hauler to buy. do i need to keep the 5th wheel gvwr under 14K? thanks for any help
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Old 04-26-2016, 12:30 AM   #2
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The more important question is what's the truck's payload capacity?
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Old 04-26-2016, 12:42 AM   #3
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The more important question is what's the truck's payload capacity?
I'm about 6k curb weight. 8800 max gvwr
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You might be a bit low on your curb weight estimate. My '01 7.3l 4x4 supercab SB with full fuel, 5th wheel hitch, toolbox, me, wife and 2 border collies is 7700 pounds curb weight. (And we are all skinny folks)

My GVWR is also 8800 pounds which technically gives me a limit of 1100 pound pin weight. I am over that pin weight with my lightweight 5er by a few hundred pounds. You will reach the technical spec limit on your truck for the pin weight LONG before you max out the towing capacity. As far as I know, there is no toy hauler 5er that Forest River makes that will put you within spec for towing with your truck. They all will put you over max payload capacity. I am not saying it won't do the job, just that you will be over the limits set by Ford.
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Old 04-26-2016, 01:09 AM   #5
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You might be a bit low on your curb weight estimate. My '01 7.3l 4x4 supercab SB with full fuel, 5th wheel hitch, toolbox, me, wife and 2 border collies is 7700 pounds curb weight. (And we are all skinny folks)

My GVWR is also 8800 pounds which technically gives me a limit of 1100 pound pin weight. I am over that pin weight with my lightweight 5er by a few hundred pounds. You will reach the technical spec limit on your truck for the pin weight LONG before you max out the towing capacity. As far as I know, there is no toy hauler 5er that Forest River makes that will put you within spec for towing with your truck. They all will put you over max payload capacity. I am not saying it won't do the job, just that you will be over the limits set by Ford.
Thanks. Ok. Is there a ball park figure on how much gvwr trailer I should not go above. Gonna have to go with another brand trailer. Thanks again
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Couple of options here. First look inside your door for this sticker.Click image for larger version

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You want where it says "occupants and cargo should not exceed x lbs". This is your payload before hitch, passengers, gear and pets etc. Subtract the weight of all passengers, pets, gear in the truck plus about 150 lbs for the actual fiver hitch. What is left is what you have available for loaded pin weight. Typical pin weight is around 20-25% for most rivers, I'm not certain if this Target range changes for toy haulers based upon the garage contents.

The other more precise option is to go to the truck (or local dump or feed store) close to you and weigh your truck with all occupants, pets, gear etc plus full tank of fuel. If at a cat scale weigh front axle on scale pad 1 and rear axle on scale pad 2. Cost is typically $9-13 for first weigh, if you ever need to do a reweigh in a 24 hrs period, then the reweigh would be around $1-4.

The ticket will now give you individual axle weights and a total truck weight. Take the truck rear axle weight and subtract it from the truck rear GAWR. This will give you the amount of pin weight your axle can handle. Take the total truck scaled weight and subtract it from truck gcwr to get your adjusted tow capacity. The loaded TH weight must be less than this. Take the truck scaled weight and subtract it from the truck gvwr to get your available payload. The loaded pin weight will also need to be less than this number.

You will find you can haul much less trailer than you initially thought. But staying within these ratings will give you a safer and more comfortable towing experience.
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Thabks for that. Kinda made it a little clearer. I don't have that sticker though.
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What Asquared is trying to help you understand is that the trailer or 5th wheel your truck can tow according to Ford guidelines is going to be limited not by the total weight of the trailer but by the payload capacity of your truck. According to the the 2003 Ford towing guide the F250 has a payload of 8800 pounds max and for an F350 SRW 9900 pounds max.

My personal opinion is that our year F250s have a weak automatic transmission which is the limiter for the max weight it should tow. Unless you have swapped in a trans cooler from a 6.0l Ford and done some transmission upgrades your truck isn't going to last very long before the transmission goes out from hauling even the Ford guideline 12.5k trailer weight. If you are determined to haul weights above what the Ford guidelines state, I suggest a transmission upgrade and swapping the rear springs for F350 ones or equivalent as well as having the best tires you can find. If your goal is to haul a big toy hauler I strongly recommend buying a dually.
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Thanks. My truck is built. But I understand the payload and pin weight thing now. Thanks again
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Big difference between a 2003 and a 2015 F 250. I have 9900 GVWR and CCC of 2700 with the camper package.
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