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Old 08-27-2013, 02:27 PM   #11
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I'd advise against towing any 5th wheel with any half ton. Payload is a HUGE concern. You may be able to keep yourself under it for awhile but will eventually push it and most likely go over at some point.

Ask Ependydad about his experience. I remember recently he posted that he scaled his rig and was pushing the limits of a 1 ton dually with a 5er. I can guarantee you that he nor would anyone else have ever expected this but it happens!

It is our nature to bring whatever we can physically fit it! (if my DW finds an open drawer she fills it, whether we need it or not!)

My other concern is the stability of a half ton truck. A ram 1500 weighs roughly 5200 LBS. I weighed mine a 2500 diesel the other day at 7700LBS... That is 2500 extra pounds. The added weight assists in controlling the HUGE billboard you are dragging behind you. A 3/4 or 1 ton is also going to have LT tires rather than passenger which is going to make the truck feel much more stable.

A half ton can pull some of the 5th wheels, but I do not see it being a smart idea... That being said, I've made more than my share of dumb choices!


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Old 08-27-2013, 04:09 PM   #12
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Some of us with 1/2T's have the 10 ply LT tires also and have no trouble with stability. Not everyone loads every nook and cranny in a trailer. We have numerous cabinets with nothing in them. Under the bed has a couple of extra pillows, a set of sheets, blanket and bedspread. All food is in the rear of the trailer as is the kitchen, which is why we chose this 5er.

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Old 08-27-2013, 08:16 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by OldCoot View Post
blueline38, are these the voices of experience, speculation or are you a lawyer?
These are voices from a ten year police officer who is a certified accident investigator and commercial vehicle inspector.
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Old 08-27-2013, 08:41 PM   #14
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Thumbs up Not all "half-tons" are created equal

This discussion comes up fairly frequently and always seems to get more heated than it needs to. The problem is there's a lot of variables (not all of them strictly weight related) that factor in to towing a trailer and so there's a WIDE variety of opinion on which facts or data really matters.

Rather than a suggestion of what you can or cannot do with a "half-ton" truck (really, at this point, a misnomer), your best bet is to take a look at the information available. Remember that not all "half-tons" are created equally (with regards to towing and payload capacity both). Here's some helpful links to check out:
Forest River RV Customer Service
Trailer Towing Guides | Trailer Life Magazine
Ford Towing Guides | The Official Site of Ford Vehicles |
Towing Capacity Chart | Vehicle Towing Capacity | GMC
Trailering and Towing | Vehicle Towing Guide | GMC
Trailering Guide - HOME
Dodge Towing Guide
Tow Ratings Database - Tow Vehicle Ratings | Camping Life Magazine
Truck Ratings for RV Towing

Always remember the basic rule of thumb for safe and happy towing: you want more truck than trailer!

Good luck!
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Old 08-29-2013, 11:10 AM   #15
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My 2011 F150 meets all the weight criteria for pulling our Sterling 30RL. We do not overload the trailer, tires, hitch weight, or rated towing capacity. All are factory rated at least 15% above the towed weights. The truck has every factory towing option available and it is a Crew Cab 4x4 with a sway stability feature. I have owned a F350 and find the performance of this truck equal to or better. Depending how it is equipped, many F250 pickups do not have the same towing capacity as my F150. You are right, not all 1/2 ton trucks are created equal. I have driven it across Kansas with 20+ mph cross winds as well as 20+ mph head winds. I have 100,000 miles on the truck and the brakes are still original with many more miles to go. The truck is inspected by the Ford dealership before every long trip. The last thing I want is an accident. On occasion, I have had to make emergency maneuvers to avoid a collision from a bad driver. The truck has never failed to perform or stop in time.
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Old 08-29-2013, 11:25 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Filthy Beast View Post
It's not just the Rockies, to the East we still have the Ozark and Appalachians and I am sure other areas with large hills.
It's not the large hills that get you but the altitude. If I remember correctly you have to de-rate 2% for every 1000 feet in altitude.


I have to disagree with the statment "It is our nature to bring whatever we can physically fit it". Not everyone is like that. I enjoy bringing only what I need. To me (and others) it is part of the fun of camping. While my wife may fill every drawer, we still have plenty of unused stroage space.
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Old 08-29-2013, 11:51 AM   #17
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Have to agree with tanddc, not everyone fills their trailer with everything. We travel very light and have several cabinet compartments with little or nothing in them. We've learned after having 4 trailers in the last 7 yrs what we use, seldom use and never use and the never use items and seldom use items are left home or thrown away. When we get home from this trip, we will lighten the load again by leaving two bag chairs and a bag table home plus a few other items. If we find we need something we "just have to have" we will buy it on the road. Usually tho', if we think we need something and hold off buying it for a few days or a week, we have found out in more cases than not, we really don't need it.
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Old 08-29-2013, 03:15 PM   #18
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From 2010 to 2012 I towed a 21' Passport by Keystone with a F150 and then got the bug real bad for a 5W. I did the math backward and forward, weighed my truck, and read so many forums and comments that my eyes became blurred. I found a few 5W's that could fit just under my weight ratings considering GVWR and Axel Weight Rating, but I was limited by the number of options I would consider. At 65 years young I did not want to buy a new 5W only to turn around and buy another because we wanted something larger. So, to make a long story short, I decided to make the splurge and upgraded to a F250. It opened up our options of 5W's to consider and we settled on the 33' Surveyor SVF293 . I think we made a sound decision and tow knowing that the weight limits are well within their ratings.

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Old 08-30-2013, 08:11 AM   #19
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Johnv; Your truck might handle it ok, but you are over loaded, which is the point that some are making here. Your 10,000lb trailer has a tongue weight of around 2,000lbs. There is not a single F150, with the 6.2, that has a payload of even up to 2000lbs according to their specs. So, your trailer, plus people, plus the hitch and cargo (in the truck) places you seriously over the weight rating of that truck. If you were to get into an accident (your fault or not) the insurance company will have a field day!
The factory specified tongue weight on my Wildcat 30RL is 1,590 and the F150 has a rated load capacity of 3,120. The weight of my camper load is never more than 9,700 (8,900 empty) and the rated towing weight is 11,300. The total weight of truck, camper and gear is usually about 16,000. It it rated at 17,100 It works, it drives right, and it is not over loaded according to the factory specs. I did add air bags to smooth out the bounce at bridge approaches, but fully loaded with no air in the bags, it sits level and the head lights are not shinning in the sky at night. If we can't believe the factory specs, then what other information would the insurance company use in the case of an accident to nail me?
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:20 AM   #20
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The factory specified tongue weight on my Wildcat 30RL is 1,590 and the F150 has a rated load capacity of 3,120.
You have a payload capacity of 3,120?! Holy carp. I knew some of the F150s were high, but I didn't realize they went that high.

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