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Old 07-19-2013, 08:12 AM   #41
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No, in fact the ultra-light 5th wheel's bumpers are not even rated for a bike rack.
Another point is make sure the bolts/nuts are tight on the spare tire and carrier to insure it is not bouncing. If it breaks the bumper, there could be catastrophic results to someone following you.
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:11 AM   #42
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Of course the weight police on this site are going to tell you you cannot pull a pop-up with a Mack truck because you will be overloaded. They will also tell you that the bumpers are not strong enough to hold the sewer hose inside. This forum is full of people who will tell you everything is a no-no. I do not know how these folks even bring themselves to ever hitch up their unit and leave the house for fear. Personally, my bumper is very well mounted to the frame of the camper. I check my welds frequently to make sure there is no signs of structural failure, as a safety measure, not because I believe the bumper will fail. I also check up in the hole where the pin box is connected to the frame under the bedroom. I know that failure is possible, so I check to make sure I am not having a problem. It does not mean the frame of the camper cannot support itself, it means I like to know that I am not having a problem.
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:16 AM   #43
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Of course the weight police on this site are going to tell you you cannot pull a pop-up with a Mack truck because you will be overloaded. They will also tell you that the bumpers are not strong enough to hold the sewer hose inside. This forum is full of people who will tell you everything is a no-no. I do not know how these folks even bring themselves to ever hitch up their unit and leave the house for fear. Personally, my bumper is very well mounted to the frame of the camper. I check my welds frequently to make sure there is no signs of structural failure, as a safety measure, not because I believe the bumper will fail. I also check up in the hole where the pin box is connected to the frame under the bedroom. I know that failure is possible, so I check to make sure I am not having a problem. It does not mean the frame of the camper cannot support itself, it means I like to know that I am not having a problem.

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I pull a single place jet ski with a hitch mounted on the rear bumper of mine. Originally it had the spare tire mounted on it, which I feel would inflect more damage to the rear bumper bouncing around than the single jet ski will.


Without people trying to push the boundaries this world wouldn't be where we are now... Of course you need to do things safely and live with the results of your actions at the end of the day...
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:51 AM   #44
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Speaking of Farmers insurance company, non of you guys addressed the issue of accident insurance claims, lawyers, cops, and issues related to operating an overloaded vehicle.

Speaking in a non specific general scenario, sure the 3/4 ton will tow a big heavy RV. However, if you get in an accident or worse yet, cause an accident get ready for the claims adjuster to weasel their way out of minimizing the insurance claim payment to you. If your truck/rv combo is found to be "overloaded" your claim payment could be denied, reduced, etc. If you caused the accident or simply got into one, tickets and court cases could be in your future.

So to summarize, nothing happens till an accident investigation. Then poop happens and boy does it stink!

X2 on this. I work with a lot of insurance companies and every one of them's bottom line to a claim is "Do we really have to pay?" followed by "If we have to pay, can we sue somebody so we can get our money back?".

Aside from the various truck limits, one of the other things to consider is if you're over your license limits. Here in Ontario, a standard Class G (everyday driver) is only allowed a total 11,000kg (~24,000 lbs) combined vehicle/tow and a max tow of 4,600kg (~10,000 lbs). If you want to tow anything over 4,600kg you need a Class A (Tractor Trailer).

I'll acknowledge I don't know the various state laws, but ignoring the max tow portion and assuming the total weight limits are around the same, if you take a 6,000 lb truck, and a 14,000 lb trailer you're already around 20,000 lbs. Add in people, gear, options, variations, etc... you're probably still under. But I'd double check just the same.
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X2 on this. I work with a lot of insurance companies and every one of them's bottom line to a claim is "Do we really have to pay?" followed by "If we have to pay, can we sue somebody so we can get our money back?".

Aside from the various truck limits, one of the other things to consider is if you're over your license limits. Here in Ontario, a standard Class G (everyday driver) is only allowed a total 11,000kg (~24,000 lbs) combined vehicle/tow and a max tow of 4,600kg (~10,000 lbs). If you want to tow anything over 4,600kg you need a Class A (Tractor Trailer)I'll acknowledge I don't know the various state laws, but ignoring the max tow portion and assuming the total weight limits are around the same, if you take a 6,000 lb truck, and a 14,000 lb trailer you're already around 20,000 lbs. Add in people, gear, options, variations, etc... you're probably still under. But I'd double check just the same.
I can only speak for MD- it's licensing regulations are according to the GVWR of the truck and trailer in question. If over 26,001 lbs., you need a non-commercial class A license.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:00 AM   #46
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PapSmurf- every situation is different. While your bumper may be fine, I can tell you a friend of mine drug his bikes and spare tire down the highway until someone could let him know it was happening. Welds broke *and* the bumper itself twisted. Personally, I'm not going to test my bumper.
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Hello papa smurf are you from Tennessee or a transplant? Your 1 1/2 from my cabin in hilham ,tn thanks for the input.
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Someone mentioned to check weights.?what about length as far as I Can tell the law reads No trailer can exceed 40 feet .what about those 41 and 42 foot 5 ths guess the insurance won't pay a claim on those!!!!!
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Well, we don't have any length laws here that I know about. It can be 100', as long as it's under 4600kg.

But yeah, from my dealing with insurance companies they'll be more than willing to take your money to insure a trailer that you can't legally own, but then use that against you when it comes time to pay.
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Someone mentioned to check weights.?what about length as far as I Can tell the law reads No trailer can exceed 40 feet .what about those 41 and 42 foot 5 ths guess the insurance won't pay a claim on those!!!!!
I can only speak to Maryland. For combinations over 55' (which I'm 58 1/2' tip to tail), I'm supposed to stick to major interstates and then take the most direct route from the interstate to my destination.

I don't know how any other states' rules are.
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