A 1/2 ton truck, that could tow a 5er.

[OldCoot]

Originally Posted by dicky1243

none they don't have the braking power or suspension!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BS, I've pulled a 5er over 40K miles from the east coast to the states along the west banks of Mississippi river and to FL with no problems.

[moparguy]

I seen a Ram 1500 that has the short, short bed (5' something I think) which is what I have pulling a fifth wheel that was set up as a goose neck and it was pulling a small enclosed trailer behind it. I wish I would have taken a picture of it. I spoke to the guy and he said that it pulled great but I don't know if I would want to do it. He said the trailer was set up with the goose ball from the factory but I don't remember what brand it was.


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[B and B]

I did that with Eco and Fiver for 12,000 km's no problems. Have a F 250 now looking for a trailer upgrade. Does it tow better, definitely. If I stayed in Ontario I would have kept the F 150 but the Rockies someday soon and larger fiver as well dictate a larger truck.

Not sure if you have any real world experience dicky1243 to back up your claim.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by BamaBob

I would respectfully disagree

Up and down the mountains no problem (helps that the EcoBoost has a built in engine brake )

If you are thinking the F150 has a exhaust brake like diesel it doesn't. I'm not sure what you calling a engine brake? The only thing I can think of is the transmission down shifting and hearing engine rev.

[moparguy]

The new Cummins uses the turbo as the exhaust brake now so maybe they are using the turbo on the Ecoboost to help hold it back?


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[lynn brownlee]

No the turbo is not a exhaust brake on a deisel

[moparguy]

On the new 6.7 Cummins they use the turbo, I have had them done at the cummins dealer. They were on Ford F750 chassis.


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[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by moparguy

On the new 6.7 Cummins they use the turbo, I have had them done at the cummins dealer. They were on Ford F750 chassis.

The VGT works in conjunction with the engine and transmission to provide an integrated braking system used to help slow the vehicle. This is commonly called exhaust braking. This braking power is achieved by modulating the turbo sliding nozzle ring to restrict the flow of exhaust gases from the engine, which in turn creates a high back pressure on the engine. The high back pressure creates a high level of resistance to the motion of the pistons within the engine and this resistance is used to reduce engine speed and thus vehicle speed.
The exhaust brake feature will only function when the driver turns the exhaust brake switch to the on position. Once the switch is in the on position and the vehicle is moving faster than 8 k/h (5 MPH); the exhaust brake will automatically operate when the driver removes pressure from the throttle pedal allowing the engine to see 0% throttle and 0 fuel delivery.
Exhaust braking is most effective when the engine RPM is higher. The automatic transmission has been programmed to downshift more aggressively when the exhaust brake is enabled to increase brake performance. Use of automatic transmission Tow/Haul Mode improves interaction between the engine and transmission. Inputs to the exhaust brake feature include:
· Coolant temperature
· Ambient air temperature
· Exhaust manifold pressure sensor
· Throttle pedal position sensor
·· Fault codes with any of these sensors will cause the exhaust brake feature to be disabled.
The exhaust brake feature can also be used to reduce the engine warm up time. To use the exhaust brake as a warm-up device, the vehicle must be moving less than 8 k/h (5 MPH), the exhaust brake switch must be in the on position, and the coolant temperature must below 82°C (180° F) and ambient temperature below 15.5°C (60° F).
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Sorry about the copy and paste - I understand how it works but this guy explained 10 times better then I could!!!!

[B and B]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

If you are thinking the F150 has a exhaust brake like diesel it doesn't. I'm not sure what you calling a engine brake? The only thing I can think of is the transmission down shifting and hearing engine rev.

The F 150 has dynamic engine braking, drops a gear when in cruise and continues dropping gears as it speeds up. It works on slight grades but is not an exhaust brake.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by B and B

The F 150 has dynamic engine braking, drops a gear when in cruise and continues dropping gears as it speeds up. It works on slight grades but is not an exhaust brake.

Whats the difference between that and say a Chevy 1500 in tow haul mode?

[lynn brownlee]

A valve is closed , they were patented and called a jake brake, the patent ran out and now any one can use them in a deisel engine, the turbo creates more compression due to a valve closing creating more back pressure, same way the pressure from the exhaust is boosted by a turbo to force air and fuel into the combustion chamber, so the exshalts valve is closed. A none turbo deisel engine can work by closing a exhaust valve. Diesels engine have tremendous compression compared to a gas or ringed engine. Gas engines do not have enough compression and could not use exhaust pressure to break a vehicle effectively.

[davel1971]

Originally Posted by lynn brownlee

Diesels engine have tremendous compression compared to a gas or ringed engine.

What is a ringed engine?

[B and B]

I don't know, I don't own a Chevy or never will to tow with. I do know the F 150 Ecoboost in tow mode and running cruise will slow you down without touching the brakes. My 09 F 150 with 5.4 Triton in tow haul mode did not do this.

The Chevy's are made in Mexico as well.

[davel1971]

Originally Posted by B and B

The Chevy's are made in Mexico as well.

If you think Ford is USA loyal, someone lied to you. Plenty of factories there, and more being built right now. Nothing is 100% made here. Parts and sub-assemblies come from everywhere. Just buy what you like.

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by B and B

I don't know, I don't own a Chevy or never will to tow with. I do know the F 150 Ecoboost in tow mode and running cruise will slow you down without touching the brakes. My 09 F 150 with 5.4 Triton in tow haul mode did not do this.

The Chevy's are made in Mexico as well.

So the Ford F150 does works the same as Chevy 1500. It called Basic Cruise Control/Tow Haul Mode by other manufactures. Ford Making Up Terms Again.

You do know that Toyota has the most cars/trucks with the highest Made In American list.

[B and B]

Originally Posted by CWSWine

So the Ford F150 does works the same as Chevy 1500. It called Basic Cruise Control/Tow Haul Mode by other manufactures. Ford Making Up Terms Again.

You do know that Toyota has the most cars/trucks with the highest Made In American list.

Hmmm Yes i did. We have a Two Toyota plants with 20 minutes of where I live. GMC Acadia and Equinox (Used to be Cami GM/Suzuki partnership) plant 30 minutes away and Ford and Honda 60 minutes. A lot of auto manufacturing here!

Back to the thread.

Doesn't matter what it is called, assists with engine braking and saves linings.

[drittal]

I owned 2 EB F150 and that little 3.5 needed dynamic cruise just to hold itself back when empty.

[Tonkatoy77]

Originally Posted by lynn brownlee

A valve is closed , they were patented and called a jake brake, the patent ran out and now any one can use them in a deisel engine, the turbo creates more compression due to a valve closing creating more back pressure, same way the pressure from the exhaust is boosted by a turbo to force air and fuel into the combustion chamber, so the exshalts valve is closed. A none turbo deisel engine can work by closing a exhaust valve. Diesels engine have tremendous compression compared to a gas or ringed engine. Gas engines do not have enough compression and could not use exhaust pressure to break a vehicle effectively.

Your post doesn't make any sense. You do know there is a difference between an exhaust brake and an engine brake right?

An engine brake, which is called a Jake brake, is a solenoid on top of the exhaust valve. During the compression stroke the solenoid activates and pushes the exhaust valve open. The term "Jake" came from the manufacturer Jacobs. There are other engine brake manufacturers like Pac Brake, but Jacobs is the most popular.

An exhaust brake is a system that puts a restriction in the exhaust system. Before the variable vein turbos company's like Banks were building an exhaust brake that goes in the exhaust pipe. It was just a flap attached to an actuator. When you turned it on the flap would close, causing a restriction in exhaust flow. Same principle with a variable vein turbo. When you activate it, the veins in the turbo close, causing a restriction in the exhaust system.

I hope all this makes sense. Lol

Also, I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say a "ringed" engine? Are you saying a diesel doesn't have piston rings?


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[deebarjay]

the new jacked up alum F150's with heavy tow are just about as spendy as an F250 with the 6.7.

[LTnTN]

Originally Posted by BamaBob

I would respectfully disagree



Up and down the mountains no problem (helps that the EcoBoost has a built in engine brake )

Me too ... No issues whatsoever. I'm loaded to about 10% below max spec, and the truck just sings.


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