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Old 03-27-2015, 08:48 AM   #31
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Regardless of whether or not you could be held liable, the answer to the question is:
No, airbags will not increase your ratings. There are too many other components in the axle/vehicle system which are together rated to a certain point.

Exceeding any weight ratings is a risk everybody has to consider, whether you have made modifications or not. I do not recommend it. If you need more capacity, get more truck.
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Old 03-27-2015, 09:23 AM   #32
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As you can see, there are different opinions on whether or not airbags increase payload. The general consensus is no, but of the hundreds of entries and countless articles I've read regarding payload, not one single person has been able to substantiate this claim based upon factual evidence. Here's my take- IF the weak link in a 1/2 ton truck is the suspension - and there is ample evidence to suggest it is- then adding air bags WILL make the truck capable of carrying a heavier load safely. It won't change the sticker. But that sticker also says what size tire I must run and at what air pressure. Deviate from those and you can just as easily be sued by some ambulance chaser. You do realize that aggressive and/or oversized tires make a truck handle worse and could easily be shown to be a factor in an accident...
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Old 03-27-2015, 09:26 AM   #33
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They are not a legal substitution to exceed the manufacturers gross weight ratings however.
Can you show some evidence that a sticker placed on a door by a manufacturer is legally binding? I, for one, don't think it is. The manufacturers don't even reveal how they get to those numbers and don't even follow the same guidelines- at least on anything prior to 2015 models.
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Old 03-27-2015, 09:35 AM   #34
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It is not hard to prove if a combination vehicle was overloaded at the time of a crash.
If it's a fatal, every avenue is taken to prove cause and fault of the crash. An ambitious lawyer and the greiving family will try at any expense in preparation for a lawsuit.
If one knowingly and purposely overloaded a vehicle, that as a result caused or could not avoid a crash, guess who's left hanging with the blame and a life changing lawsuit.
This is in direct contradiction to what I was told by a retired LEO that worked in Texas and California. The last portion of his career he actually worked as an accident investigator. He claimed that he has never heard of nor seen an accident that was attributed to weight- there was always another cause. He also stated that there was no feasible way for them to weigh a TT/FW that was involved in a major wreck. The "knowingly and purposefully" part in your statement would be almost impossible to prove. I suppose if they had a video of one going through a CAT scale and then proceeding on their merry way they might be able to prove this- other than that???
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Old 03-27-2015, 10:20 AM   #35
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I too have Firestone Ride-Rites and installed the valves in rear bumper area, actually the plate my trailer lights/brake plug is in. I don't inflate with a compressor since it takes so little volume to get to the 20 lbs I use in them when towing. I can pump them using a bike pump from 5 lbs to 20 lbs in about 5-6 pumps each side.
Ditto on this, I found out that saving the extra $300 - $400 from the compressor install to a bike pump let me buy other gadgets.
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Old 03-27-2015, 10:25 AM   #36
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I just purchased the Air Lift 1000 Air Bags to tow a 2015 Salem 27DBUD. Since this will be my first experience with the air bags, I'm wondering if you guys can give me the low down on on three things;

1. air pressure (what psi w/wo TT)
2. if an on board compressor is the way to go
3. and if make modifications with your WDH (I use the Andersen WDH).

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On my last truck I had bags. Towing the tt @ 50psi , w/o @10psi
Didn't have a on board compressor, I had 2 valve stems at the licence plate and use a high psi bicycle pump.
Made no other adjustment to my wdh.
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Old 03-27-2015, 10:39 AM   #37
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Ditto on this, I found out that saving the extra $300 - $400 from the compressor install to a bike pump let me buy other gadgets.
I gave less than $300 for my complete setup 15 yrs ago including the on board compressor. Still using it and it doesn't leak.
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Old 03-27-2015, 12:20 PM   #38
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As you can see, there are different opinions on whether or not airbags increase payload. The general consensus is no, but of the hundreds of entries and countless articles I've read regarding payload, not one single person has been able to substantiate this claim based upon factual evidence. Here's my take- IF the weak link in a 1/2 ton truck is the suspension - and there is ample evidence to suggest it is- then adding air bags WILL make the truck capable of carrying a heavier load safely. It won't change the sticker. But that sticker also says what size tire I must run and at what air pressure. Deviate from those and you can just as easily be sued by some ambulance chaser. You do realize that aggressive and/or oversized tires make a truck handle worse and could easily be shown to be a factor in an accident...
You speak as if anyone here is recommending you run tires that are load-rated lower than stock! Of course we realize it. You should not replace shocks, springs, tires, or anything with parts that are rated lower than what came on the vehicle.
The only way I'd recommend something like this is if there is a HD payload or other package, and you are simply upgrading to the same components that would have come with that package. That is easily verified.
But throwing in some airbags, then saying that you've increased the payload capacity isn't right. Even the airbags will come with a warning sticker saying not to do that.
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Old 03-27-2015, 12:36 PM   #39
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Even the airbags will come with a warning sticker saying not to do that.
Exactly right thebrakeman

I just got my Air Lift air bags last night...It specifically states that the air bags DO NOT increase towing or load capacity.
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Old 03-27-2015, 12:40 PM   #40
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Exactly right thebrakeman

I just got my Air Lift air bags last night...It specifically states that the air bags DO NOT increase towing or load capacity.
It's a typical CYA statement, like "Don't take sleeping pills and operate a vehicle."
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