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Old 10-25-2015, 09:40 AM   #11
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The sticker on the door is correct for that specific truck, with the specific options installed on it.
No its not. Though on some trucks it may be close. My F350 dually "sticker" payload is 5318. Full tank of fuel, no driver, no 5th wheel it tips the scales at 8900 (14k GVWR). A couple hundred pounds either way doesn't matter much on the dually, but on the lighter trucks it does. The ONLY way to really know is a scale, don't trust anything else (sticker, dealer etc).
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Old 10-25-2015, 01:44 PM   #12
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I have seen many tow vehicle mistakes in 45 years of towing. Here are some things to remember:
1. Most tow vehicle dealers will tell you ANY thing to see the tail lights go off the lot. Reality is off the menu.
2. Just because the tow vehicle will pull the trailer doesn't mean it will stop it effectively, trailer brakes or not. Think about it. Towing an 11,000 pound trailer with a 5,000 pound tow vehicle...?
3. Get more hitch than you think you need. Whether weight distributing or fifth wheel, go up in capacity.
4. Buy more tow vehicle than you think you need. Blogs like this are more useful than marketing brochures. (See #1 above)
5. Diesels always tow better than gassers.
6. Diesels can have exhaust brakes which can significantly improve braking and reduce brake wear on the vehicles.
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Old 10-25-2015, 01:53 PM   #13
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The sticker on my new 2015 RAM 2500HD Crew Cab 4x5 6.7 Cummns states that the front GAWR is 6000 lbs and the rear GAWR is 6500 lbs. Payload is only 2270 lbs.

Ram website says same vehicle is 5750/6000 with a payload of 2360 lbs. GVWR of 10,000 lbs. GCWR 25,300 lbs and MTWR 17180. The empty axle wt being 4724/2916...

?!?!?!?!?! WTH ?!?!?!??! How can my payload only be 2270????

This is confusing as hell.....
From your sig.

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Old 10-25-2015, 06:31 PM   #14
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I came to this thread thinking it was all about worms...
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Old 10-25-2015, 07:08 PM   #15
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The sticker on my new 2015 RAM 2500HD Crew Cab 4x5 6.7 Cummns states that the front GAWR is 6000 lbs and the rear GAWR is 6500 lbs. Payload is only 2270 lbs.

Ram website says same vehicle is 5750/6000 with a payload of 2360 lbs. GVWR of 10,000 lbs. GCWR 25,300 lbs and MTWR 17180. The empty axle wt being 4724/2916...

?!?!?!?!?! WTH ?!?!?!??! How can my payload only be 2270????

This is confusing as hell.....
I'm not sure what you mean by empty weight but I assume you have weighed it to get the 4724/2916 axle weights. Add those together and subtract from your GVWR of 10,000 and that leaves 2360 lbs. Pretty close to to 2270. If it was low on fuel put in 25 gallons of diesel and you will add another 200 lbs distributed between the axles.

I don't know where the 5750/6000 numbers come from, unless those a GAWR. But add those together and you will be way over 10,000 GVWR.
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Old 10-25-2015, 07:50 PM   #16
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I'm not sure what you mean by empty weight but I assume you have weighed it to get the 4724/2916 axle weights. Add those together and subtract from your GVWR of 10,000 and that leaves 2360 lbs. Pretty close to to 2270. If it was low on fuel put in 25 gallons of diesel and you will add another 200 lbs distributed between the axles.

I don't know where the 5750/6000 numbers come from, unless those a GAWR. But add those together and you will be way over 10,000 GVWR.
5750/6000 are on RAM's Website.

On my RAM 2500HD the sticker says 6000/6500 that equals 12,500. Yet The GVWR is only 10,000. Hence the confusion.....

However, my current Toy Hauler GVWR is just 11,370. TT not a 5ver.
I'm ok on weight with current setup.
I'm just saying all the info out there is just as clear as mud.
I think they do it that way to may litigation harder......
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Old 10-25-2015, 08:23 PM   #17
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5750/6000 are on RAM's Website.

On my RAM 2500HD the sticker says 6000/6500 that equals 12,500. Yet The GVWR is only 10,000. Hence the confusion.....

However, my current Toy Hauler GVWR is just 11,370. TT not a 5ver.
I'm ok on weight with current setup.
I'm just saying all the info out there is just as clear as mud.
I think they do it that way to may litigation harder......
You can't have both axles at max GAWR at the same time. If your front axle is at 6000, your rear axle can't be over 4000....
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Basically most 3/4 ton trucks are either rated at 9900 or 10,000 pound gvw. This is not due to the capabilities of the axles, in most cases, but more due to government restrictions in some areas. There are states that don't allow driving a truck rated over 10,000 gvw without a commercial drivers license. This is where the 3/4 ton comes in. Often just as capable as its 1 ton equivalent, but derated to meet licensing requirements.
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Basically most 3/4 ton trucks are either rated at 9900 or 10,000 pound gvw. This is not due to the capabilities of the axles, in most cases, but more due to government restrictions in some areas. There are states that don't allow driving a truck rated over 10,000 gvw without a commercial drivers license. This is where the 3/4 ton comes in. Often just as capable as its 1 ton equivalent, but derated to meet licensing requirements.
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So if I have a CDL I may be good to go?...
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