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Old 10-24-2015, 02:41 PM   #1
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Another can of worms.......

The sticker on my new 2015 RAM 2500HD Crew Cab 4x5 6.7 Cummns states that the front GAWR is 6000 lbs and the rear GAWR is 6500 lbs. Payload is only 2270 lbs.

Ram website says same vehicle is 5750/6000 with a payload of 2360 lbs. GVWR of 10,000 lbs. GCWR 25,300 lbs and MTWR 17180. The empty axle wt being 4724/2916...

?!?!?!?!?! WTH ?!?!?!??! How can my payload only be 2270????

This is confusing as hell.....
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Old 10-24-2015, 02:46 PM   #2
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The reported payload (and if you've seen my Ram 2500/Gasser thread - you know I've had a learning curve like a brick wall on this in the last week or so) doesn't include options.

The sticker on the door is correct for that specific truck, with the specific options installed on it.

I ended up jumping to a 350 to get the payload I needed...
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The reported payload (and if you've seen my Ram 2500/Gasser thread - you know I've had a learning curve like a brick wall on this in the last week or so) doesn't include options.

The sticker on the door is correct for that specific truck, with the specific options installed on it.

I ended up jumping to a 350 to get the payload I needed...
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Lol - I've always been aware of the difference, academically, but it wasn't until I started actually looking that close at heavy TV's, that I realized how little I knew about how quickly the advertised numbers, and the real ones, got away from each other...
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Old 10-24-2015, 03:29 PM   #5
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The sticker on the door is correct for that specific truck, with the specific options installed on it.
I learned this the hard way.

I need about 1500lbs payload capacity to tow my Rockwood 2604WS.

I bought a 2015 Tundra based on the dealer's statement to me that the payload capacity of my vehicle was 1525 lbs. It turned out that he got his number from advertising literature and it wasn't specific to my truck. After I had the truck for a week, I weighed it and found payload was more like 1300lbs. After some arm twisting, the dealership took the truck back because they had misled me. I now have an F-150 with a 1723lb payload.

In the process of this mess, I've also learned that the sticker on the door jamb that shows Passenger plus Cargo rating, doesn't always accurately reflect payload capacity. The reason is that 'Passenger plus Cargo' doesn't necessarily take into account weight on the hitch. If the hitch receiver can carry more weight than the body of a vehicle, the payload capacity can be higher than Passenger plus Cargo rating. This is true of my wife's 2012 4Runner.

If you call up Toyota and ask them, they'll tell you that the Passenger plus Cargo rating on the door jamb doesn't include weight on the hitch. To get payload capacity, you need to subtract measured curb weight from GVWR.

On the other hand, the manual for my 2015 F-150 explicitly says to use the Passenger plus Cargo rating as a payload rating when sizing for towing.

Go figure.
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Old 10-24-2015, 03:38 PM   #6
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They are correct. The numbers on the website are for a stripped down model. The numbers on your door jamb are based upon actual weights of your vehicle. Be aware your trailer also weighs more than its dry weight. You may want to go weigh your whole combo.
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Old 10-24-2015, 03:56 PM   #7
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"You may want to go weigh your whole combo. "


Yup.


If the sticker says 'Passenger plus Cargo', it may or may not equal the payload rating that includes the hitch weight. If you explicitly ask Toyota, they say the two are different. As you say, the best solution is to weigh everything and check against GVWR, etc.


And in my case, 715lbs of dry hitch weight turns into a requirement for over 1500lbs of payload capacity after adding in passengers, equalizing hitch, batteries, propane, water in the hot water tank, and about half the water in the fresh water tank (because it's about midway from hitch to trailer axles).
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Old 10-24-2015, 04:09 PM   #8
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Weigh your truck. Take that number and subtract it from 10,000. The result is true payload. The stuff we carry with us, including passengers, pets, hitch, misc cargo beyond fuel and 150lb driver are not included in door sticker estimate.

For example, my truck says I have a 3108lb payload. 6892 empty. My trailer has a mfr rated tongue weight of 1600lb. On paper it should be 8492, call it 8500. Loaded up with wife, kids, car seats, dog, etc, etc, etc... my truck hit the scales at 9200. Picked up 700lbs between actual wet hitch weight, passengers, and cargo.
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Old 10-24-2015, 04:13 PM   #9
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Ya, if you upgrade to the Cummins w/higher trim options & 4WD, you need to upgrade to a 3500... That heavy diesel block reduces the payload to no more than a F150 EB HD...

Even my lowly 2011 Ram 2500 CC w/5.7 Hemi has a payload of 3050 (on the door sticker)... With fiberglass cap, family of 5, bikes, scooters, tools & TT tongue of 1300 our payload is over 2,500 on most trips...

In my previous transportation & construction-related work we only ordered diesels in the 3500 dually configuration. It made no sense to order a 2500 w/diesel when the gas versions had a higher payload combined with lower annual operation costs... I also knew a lot of UPS mechanics & they mostly ran/run gas engines in their delivery trucks because they cost less to maintain & operate and handle the constant starts & restarts better. Using a diesel for short trips in the winter will reduce life expectancy a lot faster than a gasser... Just sayin'...
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Because your truck weighs about 7650 lbs. Them diesels are heavy brutes.


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