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Old 11-09-2013, 01:29 PM   #101
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saw a new zl1 convertible today followed by a new stingray. they were stopped in my work zone, and the camaro driver said that his wife had the vette. they were christmas presents to each other.

funny thing tho, neither looked to be over mid 50's. maybe the economy IS improving. or their kids moved out of the house.

back to camping stuff. sorry to hijack.
thats a pile of $$$$$
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:32 PM   #102
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thats a pile of $$$$$
Or it's a bunch of big monthly payments.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:53 PM   #103
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Just stepped out of my F250 GAS V10 and thanked my lucky stars it's not a diesel. Since 90% of my driving is not towing it is a pleasure to drive. Can't even hear the engine running, smooth as silk, I gassed up and remembered spilling a drop of diesel fuel on my hand years ago and it took 3 days to get rid of the stink. Plus I still have an extra $10,000 in the bank and oil change only cost me $60 at the Ford dealer and fuel is $1.00 gallon cheaper.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:02 AM   #104
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We travel a lot and have for years. I used to own a Dodge V10 gasser and many times getting in and out of filling stations with the fifth wheel was a challenge. V10 equals a lot of gas stops. Getting gas was always the most stressful part of RVing for me.
Now that I have a diesel I ALWAYS stop at truck stops and use the truck pumps in back. RVing is now stress free for me. I love diesel.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:14 AM   #105
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We travel a lot and have for years. I used to own a Dodge V10 gasser and many times getting in and out of filling stations with the fifth wheel was a challenge. V10 equals a lot of gas stops. Getting gas was always the most stressful part of RVing for me.
Now that I have a diesel I ALWAYS stop at truck stops and use the truck pumps in back. RVing is now stress free for me. I love diesel.
X2 one of the best benefits of having a diesel. I never worry about refueling anymore.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:23 AM   #106
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X2 one of the best benefits of having a diesel. I never worry about refueling anymore.
I'll throw an X3 on that. There aren't always truck stops where we go, but a majority of our fill-ups are at truck stops an it sure is convenient.
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:55 PM   #107
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Strange. My friends fill up twice to my once. They have A turbo four diesel and I have a V 10 money wise is within $$ of each other.
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:36 PM   #108
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Not strange for me. My gasser was a 2002 Dodge Quad Cab with the Magnum 488cu. in. V-10 with a 4.10 rear end. MPG with this vehicle when towing my 11,000 pound fifth wheel was 5.0 to 6.0 MPG. That equals frequent fuel stops. Getting into gas pumps was the easy part, getting away from them could be problematic. I love using the truck pumps at truck stops. I donít have to worry about the height of the canopy over the pumps and I donít have to worry about maneuvering room. I can now zippidee do da up to the pump and zippidee do da away from the pump.

My current truck and trailer. Quite a mess after driving over salty wet roads.
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Strange. My friends fill up twice to my once. They have A turbo four diesel and I have a V 10 money wise is within $$ of each other.
that is strange,, I get 12.5 towing and my last truck was a gas and got 9towing . I also had a 99 v10 ford and interstate 17 and city 12 towing 6mpg. maybe they have 12gal tanks to your 40gal
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Old 11-11-2013, 04:42 PM   #110
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I've had multiple Naturally Aspirated gas engines, diesels (1997 7.3 and a 2011 6.7 F-250), and now a Ford Ecoboost. As others have mentioned, there just is NO comparison in towing to a traditional gas engine. The Ecoboost does mitigate those differences some by shifting the torque curve much lower than a naturally aspirated engine. The Ecoboost actually puts out nearly the same torque numbers as the 94-97 7.3 Powerstrokes at only a few hundred more RPMs. I just recently traded the 2011 with 6.7 and went to the EB. The 800 ft.lbs. was incredible for towing, towing mileage was great, and I had no complaints about the truck. But when I started considering the additional maintenance costs and the potential for VERY expensive repairs (HPFP goes and you just spent a minimum of $10K) and I realized the smart thing to do was to ditch it. If I was in the financial situation to take a $10K hit, I'd still have the 6.7. Many complain about the mileage while towing with an EB. Those that do so lack basic understanding of the amount of energy in fuel. Diesel contains more energy per gallon (145K BTU versus 125K BTU) plus the ability to run at much higher compression ratios results in more efficiency. The point with an EB is to get decent milage while not towing, but to be able to tow much better than a traditional gas engine. I think that if one of the manufacturers could figure out how to turbocharge a small block V8 that would get typical V8 mileage but put out 600 ft.lbs. or so when towing they'd be on to something. They key would be to be able to manage the boost(maybe with user input? use tow/haul to cause turbos to spool at a different rate than normal?) to keep mileage up for everyday driving. Would mileage SUCK big time when towing- absolutely. But for the average person towing half a dozen times a year, it would still be MUCH more economical than a diesel.
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