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Old 11-04-2013, 10:30 AM   #21
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When I blew by a E150 pulling a 1 horse trailer like she was standing still in my little 4 cylinder diesel towing my Box, I knew I made the right choice. I am already saving up for my Ram 1500 diesel!!!
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:58 AM   #22
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exactly. ..last trip to colorado my best friend swore his tundra could pull his 5800 lb as well as my tuned 250 @ 10k....at the turn to I 40 (45miles in) his tundra was over heating. ...hell my 250 never even came outta 6th gear!!!...and I had the cruise at 60mph....he text me and said "dont say a da"n thing".......lol....we were in a 18mph head wind.......there was NO COMPARISON....
Don't know what model Tundra your friend had or if it had the tow pkg. I've been in the Rockies and Cascade mtns. several times with my 5.7 with tow pkg and the temp gauges never moved past center of normal 95+ outside and 11k ' in the mountains. 56k on the clock over 20k pulling 9k+ 5r.
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IMHO... I don't understand why they make half-ton 2WD trucks. If you want an SUV then buy one....maybe these are just SUV's. I dunno. 30 years ago 4WD and 3/4 ton trucks were less efficient and "bulky". My old Dodge drives like a car. It has a very short turning radius, it is easy to drive and handle(tiny bit long when parking. It is a 4 door short bed 3/4T 4X4 with a six speed manual. I love this truck....oh and it's a smoker. It gets good fuel mileage and runs strong. I bought it 4 years old and paid half price as new. Would do again.
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In the long run, a diesel is actually the less expensive choice. The engine should last well over twice as long as a gas engine, and ti doesn't cost nearly twice as much.

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I have to wonder about this. When you compare gas to diesel you add the $7000 engine upgrade and the 50 per gallon fuel increase. Then factor in the added 4-5 mpg increase of the diesel and you'll have to drive about 150,000 miles to break even. Not including other diesel costs, fuel additive, oil change costs. I did the math and was told I was "not good at math." I'd love to see a diesel driver do the math and post results.
I see it like this. If you need a diesel, nothing else will work as well. Heavy loads, lots of towing, etc. But if a gasser will do your job safely and legally, then save the money and drive the gasser. Jmho with factual backup. Lol.
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I have 150,000 miles on my '01 7.3. It is just broke in. I look to get 350,000 more miles out of it. With some TLC, it will be the last truck I ever own. If I had a gasser with 150,000 miles on it, I would see it as the end of it's work life cycle. The older that I get the farther and farther I lean to safety, first and always.

I live near an Interstate highway that has a very long hill. I have pulled this hill for 30 years using gassers and I always had to down shift multiple times and lost half my speed, being passed by too many to count and struggled to keep the minimum speed. The first time I pulled that hill with my 7.3, it never kicked out of Over Drive or slowed down. It was now I who was passing all of those gasser struggling to maintain speed, and temp and transmission. When I pulled that hill with a gasser, I thought of myself as a hazard to the vehicles around me as I struggled up that hill. Now I view the struggling gassers as the hazard.

I am in this for the long haul with many years and many miles to go. This year alone I pulled my camper from Mo to SC. and from Mo to Co. I have camped over 40 days at day and night different campgrounds. I want a truck that will stay running for 20 hours at a time and not need to shut off. I fuel up at truck stops and with that Semi next to me is idling and I leave my 7.3 idling when fueling/ or road side breaks for the rest room and eats.

Each to his own for what he does and plans to do. I don't just want a Heavy Duty Diesel.... I need a Heavy DutyDiesel.
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"that Semi next to me is idling and I leave my 7.3 idling when fueling/ or road side breaks for the rest room and eat"

Just wondering, since I haven't owned a diesel yet, why do diesel owners leave their trucks idling for long periods of time?
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"that Semi next to me is idling and I leave my 7.3 idling when fueling/ or road side breaks for the rest room and eat"

Just wondering, since I haven't owned a diesel yet, why do diesel owners leave their trucks idling for long periods of time?
the owners need heat, or cooling for their cab while they are living in them, prob starter life, they like the noise ...I dont ever let mine idle unless I just climbed a big hill and pulled into a rest area, to let my turbo cool. I do not see a whole lot of reasons to let our little displacement diesels idle since they build heat real fast, and not a lot of mass to get spinning on start up
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I have to wonder about this. When you compare gas to diesel you add the $7000 engine upgrade and the 50 per gallon fuel increase. Then factor in the added 4-5 mpg increase of the diesel and you'll have to drive about 150,000 miles to break even. Not including other diesel costs, fuel additive, oil change costs. I did the math and was told I was "not good at math." I'd love to see a diesel driver do the math and post results.
I see it like this. If you need a diesel, nothing else will work as well. Heavy loads, lots of towing, etc. But if a gasser will do your job safely and legally, then save the money and drive the gasser. Jmho with factual backup. Lol.
X2, my sentiments exactly. Plus I don't like the smell or the noise of the older diesels.

I think they let them idle just to annoy other people.
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I think they let them idle just to annoy other people.
I wonder if the ones that let them idle are the same ones that pull into the weigh stations in each state...
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"that Semi next to me is idling and I leave my 7.3 idling when fueling/ or road side breaks for the rest room and eat"

Just wondering, since I haven't owned a diesel yet, why do diesel owners leave their trucks idling for long periods of time?

I leave mine running for multiple reasons. Some people will disagree but that is fine. I have two batteries for a reason. It takes a lot of power to get the glow plugs warmed up and the starter to get the engine turning over. If my voltage drops to a certain point, I can crank all day long and it still will not start. If I leave it running there is less wear and tear and stress on the batts, glow plugs, relays, starter and alt. and injectors and engine It takes a while for the engine to cool down when shut off, but also a little while to warm up when started. My engine will idle up when started and kick down to the running idle when warm. Fuel usage is very minimal idling. Fuel is burning cleaner when left running. When starting up I will blow out the tail pipe an amount of unburnt fuel. When running positive voltage stills goes to the towed unit and that unit gets all of the power it needs and no TT battery power is used. I have two to six people in the truck traveling, when it is cold, I/they want heat, when it is hot, I/they want cold. The temp range in the cab does not go up and down when shut off and on. These are just a few reasons for me. I believe that there is a lot more wear and tear in the starting sequence vs leaving it running all day long.
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